NCAA Regional WTFs

Is this a marathon?

William & Mary men.... from winning southeast regionals 2 years ago to 5th best program in VA.... not only behind UVA and VT but Mason and Liberty...

Have you ever tried recruiting to Lubbock? its a shithole...tough sell for american kids and the kenyans are getting denied at embassy. LSU has always sucked in men. That was a good one about Baylor...100% spot on

WTF coach wrote:

Here is a list of WTFs from the NCAA XC regionals

-Ohio State women, TOLEDO beat you!!!

-Indiana women. see above^

-Wisconsin women, see above^

Just a start, feel free to add or defend

Toledo program is no slouch. They have sent a team to the NCAAs each of the last 3-4 years and have traditionally beaten Ohio State for years. In Ohio State's defense, not only is Toledo a legitimate national-level distance program, but they OSU puts their money in sprints and hurdles.

No real excuse for Wisco and Indiana. No way should they be losing to Toledo in distance but it seems to happen every year. Toledo ran one step above a "B" team at the region as well so there really is no excuse.

Wisconsin women are inexcusably bad - how much longer does he get there?

It gets no worst than Louisville women, 33rd in the region. Not a single girl in the top 100!!

Maybe it is time for coffee talk to move to madison?

hopefully stinzi gets the f*** outta there!!!

It all has little to nothing to do with coaching.

Its recruiting or luck of the draw as to where a good runner might go.

I could coach Lalang to victory.

worst poster wrote:

It all has little to nothing to do with coaching.

Its recruiting or luck of the draw as to where a good runner might go.

I could coach Lalang to victory.

Good coaching and training produces good runners. Nothing to do with luck.

I think Brad Hudson deserves a shot at coaching a D-1 team.

Cheese curds too wrote:

Wisconsin women are inexcusably bad - how much longer does he get there?

How many of those gals are on what portion of scholarship? The top two are likely funded, but not too many of the others are getting a lot of aid. Look at the Track and Field roster. They went 1-2-3 in the Big Ten and did well in the NCAA in the Hept, they have NCAA athletes in several of the throws, they have had several 6-foot high jumpers, a 4.36 vaulter.

If Sisson was there they would be one big improvement from a podium slot. And if she and the two recent state grads had gone to Wisconsin they would be vying for the top slot. They were probably 10 seconds from beating teams that got in.

At least these teams ran Rutgers is a no show at regionals

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Good coaching and training produces good runners. Nothing to do with luck.[/quote]

Good coaching can lead to success las demonstrated by the University of Portland but the guy who said he could coach Lalang to victory is correct. Good recruiting can lead to success without good coaching. Oregon wins because they out recruit. It has little to do with coaching.

bring Brad back to Jersey!!!

Finishing a college degree might help.

As a big time D1 coach with insider information, I know.

Really wrote:

Cheese curds too wrote:

Wisconsin women are inexcusably bad - how much longer does he get there?

How many of those gals are on what portion of scholarship? The top two are likely funded, but not too many of the others are getting a lot of aid. Look at the Track and Field roster. They went 1-2-3 in the Big Ten and did well in the NCAA in the Hept, they have NCAA athletes in several of the throws, they have had several 6-foot high jumpers, a 4.36 vaulter.

If Sisson was there they would be one big improvement from a podium slot. And if she and the two recent state grads had gone to Wisconsin they would be vying for the top slot. They were probably 10 seconds from beating teams that got in.

Are you serious?

-IF they had Sission

-IF they had one big improvement

-IF they had been able to recruit the top two in-state recruits.

Since when is your job determined by how good you could've been? The 3points above sound like every team in the country! Having a girl come down with mono (or something unfortunate) is an excuse of under performance....being poor at your job is not.

Do you think Stinzi will put that on his year-end review?...."We would've had a great team if I was a better coach, recruiter, and some luck was involved."

Wisconsin redshirted their 4:19 1500 runner, I don't know if that was by design or because of injury. I'm not saying that she would have been a high scorer, but she almost certainly would have helped.

They were probably looking to get something from the true freshman from Illinois who won a state cross title and a couple of state 1600 titles, PR's of 4:53/10:33, but she got hurt over the summer.

That said, their 5th at regionals is on the tennis team and moonlights on the cross team. Reasonable quality depth is an issue.

The killer in my mind is that a kid from Madison West high school (5:07/10:59 as a junior; 5:05/10:47 as a senior) went to Butler. Madison West is less than a mile from Wisconsin's campus. As a true freshman she was Butler's 5th and finished 51st at regionals. If she ran for Wisconsin, the Badgers and Butler would flip 4th and 8th places and Toledo would have pushed Wisconsin in. But she didn't run for Wisconsin. For all I know, Butler could have blown Wisconsin out of the water with money (as somebody stated, Wisconsin throws a lot of money at the multi's, throws and jumps) or she wanted to get away from Mom or any of 50 other reasons.

Two kids from that team went to (semi) major DI schools; Elana Barham went to Northwestern. A key there is the difference in the schools.

One feature that might have played a role is that it is possible that she could not get in to UW. Why? Because in Wisconsin you have to be in the top 10% of your class to get in. In almost all schools in the state that is not a particularly difficult proposition. But for West High you might be able to get into some very good schools and not get through that 'top 10%' constraint, especially if you were taking AP History/English/Calc I and Calc II/Math Physics I and II. I think that there are good students getting SAT scores averaging in the 700s that cannot make the top 10%.