Mitch Goose question...

I just checked out the Power of 10 site for Goose and he ran for ST. Mary's in 2007. What a great deal these English guys are getting in the US Collegiate system. Can someone please explain how this is possible. This guy is going to knock some US kid out of ALL American honors. How is this fair?

Mitch Goose's eligibility from what I figured out:

XC (1 season left)

O 2012

X 2011 w/ Iona

X 2010 w/ Iona

X 2009 w/ St. Marys

INDOOR (2 seasons left)

O 2014

O 2013

X 2012 w/ Iona

X 2011 w/ Iona

OUTDOOR (0 seasons left)

X 2012 w/ Iona

X 2011 w/ Iona

X 2010 w/ St. Mary's

X 2009 w/ St. Mary's

You need to look at the power of ten link in original post. Goose competed for St. Mary' s in the London colleges league on October 31st '07 and November 8th 2007. Go to full external results and you will see that both were scored college meets which means '07 and '08 seasons gone as well. If he lines up on Saturday for Iona it will be his 6th season of collegiate cross country eligibility.

I believe most English colleges are club teams, the equivalent of intramural, and per NCAA rules, it does not count towards eligibility.

You are correct. Guys like Mitch actually PAY to be a member of the CLUB team in England. They are not like University Team's here in the US. Therefore Mitch did not use that Eligibility.

If he transfers to Adams they'll get at least 2 more years of eligibility out of him.

Shelby Greany isn't complaining

Wrong. It still counts against him. Iona is shady.

Compliance issue wrote:

I believe most English colleges are club teams, the equivalent of intramural, and per NCAA rules, it does not count towards eligibility.

Wow!!.what a great deal. Compete for 3 years for a college team in England while on scholarship ( or stipend as they call it in England) and then come over and compete for 3 more years here while on scholarship again. What happened to the 5 year clock.?

He was on scholarship. FYI, US athletes, pay fees. These fees are part of every students "cost of attendance".

http://www.smuc.ac.uk/epacc/index.htm

NCAA Bylaw 14:02.7 Intercollegiate competition - IC competition occurs when a SA in either a two-year or a four-year collegiate institution:

(a) Represents the institution in ANY contest against outside competition

(b) Competes in the uniform of the institution

(c) Competes and receives expenses (transportation, meals, room, entry fee) from the institution for the competition.

The relevancy of this rule is that these UK guys and the coaches who recruit them, need to stop hiding behind the "CLUB" thing. The are NOT clubs, they are "VARSITY" teams.

Goose did NOT pay for room/board/transportation out of his own pocket to compete in BUCS. St Mary's pay for this. They SELECT the team, pay for hotel, meals, entry fee etc.

So Mitch Goose received an Athletic Activity Waiver, despite competing in races (road/track/XC) for his club and St. Mary's. So why can't US collegians do the same?

22yr old UK athletes are getting to use an Athletic Activity Waiver with misleading and inaccurate information.

All US collegians are getting SCREWED!

I'm far from a Mitch fan, but the OP has posted under at least 3 different handles, which is the greater travesty in my eye

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Your complaint might get taken more seriously if you manned up, say who you are, and send an official letter to the NCAA and Iona.

Athletic Activity Waiver wrote:

So Mitch Goose received an Athletic Activity Waiver, despite competing in races (road/track/XC) for his club and St. Mary's. So why can't US collegians do the same?

22yr old UK athletes are getting to use an Athletic Activity Waiver with misleading and inaccurate information.

All US collegians are getting SCREWED!

British athletes are by far the easiest to track because of the powerof10 website.

You would imagine that when people are recruited and when rule infringements are being checked for, this is the first place anyone is going to look.

One way or another he's gone through a loophole. The NCAA system is clearly full of them, and with the correct guidance, people will and do use them. Not just Brits either.

anyone know what ben lindsay is up to since he finished at iona?

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