13yr old runs 33:50 for 10k

Is she from Turkey?

MikeM wrote:

Why do you think you can't develop both? You can, and should. To suggest that aerobic development and speed development cannot be complementary is silly.

correct! by speed though, it must be 3-8 x 40-200 with fully recovery. 8 x 400 does nothing for speed

[Most of the young phenoms who continued to improve where good at the 800/mile and moved up in distance as they got older. In high school, the longest distance on the track is generally the 2-mile and 5k in cross country. In general, being able to run a fast mile at 13 is a better predictor of natural talent. Running times in long distances at a young age to an extent just means that kid is getting in more volume. I don't have a problem with young kids running long distance, but I don't agree with training for long distance when in high school you are basically going to be a middle distance runner.

Btw, this is not a negative post because a 13 yo running a 33:50 10k is impressive, but I would be more impressed if he ran 4:30 mile for example.[/quote]

correct

ohyeah wrote:

MikeM wrote:

Why do you think you can't develop both? You can, and should. To suggest that aerobic development and speed development cannot be complementary is silly.

correct! by speed though, it must be 3-8 x 40-200 with fully recovery. 8 x 400 does nothing for speed

I'll correct you though....keep it under 100m for the speed...200s are speed endurance

No, his run wasn't an all-timer or anything, but as someone who was there and saw him run it was very impressive. He absolutely looks 13 in person. The scary thing (and I mean this in a good way as far as his potential) is that he doesn't look like a great runner at this point. He looks like that kid that takes off trying to lead the local 5k only to realize "Oops, this race is 2.5 miles too long for me." Not smooth. Somewhat awkward. Not an efficient stride at all at this point.

Does anyone know his mile PR? (Sorry if I missed it being posted.) I agree that that would go a long way towards figuring out his real potential.

ScottDye wrote:

I think the Garritson's had about 10 kids and they all peaked before high school.

They had more than 10 kids... several of them PR'd in high school or college.

James ran 31:xx in college.

I'm surprised the Oracle of Omaha running, none other than the RunGuru himself, hasn't chimed in on this.

I heard Will stepped down from Team Nebraska and is no longer running competitively.

The 13 year old is completely legit though.

800 coach wrote:

ohyeah wrote:

correct! by speed though, it must be 3-8 x 40-200 with fully recovery. 8 x 400 does nothing for speed

I'll correct you though....keep it under 100m for the speed...200s are speed endurance

I'd say keep it to 10x30-40m if you want to work pure speed. Anything more tires the muscles too much, and defeats the purpose of learning to go as fast as you can as efficiently as possible.

BTW, my whole point was that they are complementary and need to be done in conjunction with each other. Too many kids focus on endurance and longer intervals, and don't learn to sprint properly (or at least as well as they can) to improve form, efficiency, and smooth power.

I'm sure that the drugs helped those Kenyan miracles of endurance no end.

Seb Coe's father has a training book. He cites studies in Europe that training for running at a young age doesn't help in the long run. Most successful runners were actually soccer players growing up.

This guy is a prime example....

VF Runner wrote:

No, his run wasn't an all-timer or anything, but as someone who was there and saw him run it was very impressive. He absolutely looks 13 in person. The scary thing (and I mean this in a good way as far as his potential) is that he doesn't look like a great runner at this point. He looks like that kid that takes off trying to lead the local 5k only to realize "Oops, this race is 2.5 miles too long for me." Not smooth. Somewhat awkward. Not an efficient stride at all at this point.

Does anyone know his mile PR? (Sorry if I missed it being posted.) I agree that that would go a long way towards figuring out his real potential.

9:35 3k suggest somewhere between 4:35 - 4:40? Just an estimate...

We had another kid in the area, Justin Liedke, who won a number of nation titles in fifth to eighth grade. I think he was in the 35s at Corporate Cup a few years ago as a 6th or 7th grader. His progress has really slowed down. He is a freshman this year and didn't even finish in the top 5 on his team in a recent meet. He is a freshman running varsity, but I just think these kids are doing too much too soon. Everybody a few years ago was saying Liedke was the future of Nebraska distance running and it appears that isn't the case. These parents and coaches need to stress moderation...the kids are still growing!

With that being said, sub 34 for a middle schooler is impressive.

He ran the 9:34 3k when he was 12. He's now 13. Because he improved his 10k about 90 seconds from 12 to 13, I imagine he improved his 3k a good ~20 seconds (9 seconds per K but assume he improved more in the longer distances and less in the shorter distances).

So, I bet he could run roughly 9:15 for 3k and maybe 4:40 or a little faster for a 1600.

Not to bust people's bubbles, but the last kid I saw run that fast that young never even got to run in college. I know a guy that ran 32's at 14, could run 15'30's better never got better. He couldn't stop running every damn race he could find; 5k, 10k, half, and all his xc and track season's also. He barely got an offer to a school and wasn't even on the roster, too freaking injured to even run a race. He became a nobody.

Hope this kid has some control and comes out in NCAAs.

RobC@law wrote:

Seb Coe's father has a training book. He cites studies in Europe that training for running at a young age doesn't help in the long run. Most successful runners were actually soccer players growing up.

This guy is a prime example....

which is why Seb Coe's father started him at age 11.

numiler22 wrote:

Not to bust people's bubbles, but the last kid I saw run that fast that young never even got to run in college. I know a guy that ran 32's at 14, could run 15'30's better never got better. He couldn't stop running every damn race he could find; 5k, 10k, half, and all his xc and track season's also. He barely got an offer to a school and wasn't even on the roster, too freaking injured to even run a race. He became a nobody.

Hope this kid has some control and comes out in NCAAs.

too many races, too many anaerobic workouts kills young kids

no amount of aerobic miles will ever hurt anyone

ohyeah wrote:

[quote]RobC@law wrote:

Seb Coe's father has a training book. He cites studies in Europe that training for running at a young age doesn't help in the long run.

Which is why Europe totally sucks in distance running and African who start running serious mileage to and from school each day from day 5 onward are killing them.

This kid, while he may need to settle down a little bit, is not someone who hammers out intervals and anaerobic work. He just runs steady every day, although probably a little bit too quick on some days. The pacing will come when he gets into high school and those coaches can actually talk to him and work with him. He also doesn't race all that often. I think he's done 2 road races in the last couple months total. And it definitely helped not racing summer track this past June-August. We will also never see him run track in high school, because in Nebraska, school soccer is a spring sport and athletes cannot do two school-sponsored sports in the same season. We'll see him in cross country. Maybe he will see his future in running and give up soccer a couple of years down the road and run track, but I know soccer is his love right now, not running. He runs because he's good at it, but plays soccer because he loves it.

The single-age record for 13yr old males is 33:26:

24273 american road junior men 10 km 33:26 John Soto 13 Huntington Bch CA US Cotton Row Huntsville AL US 05/30/83 no 2028