No Altitude Tent For Bernard Lagat: "I'm always old-school."

usadistrunfan wrote:

[quote]SPMBLNPF wrote:

Have you ever considered that people might take your protests against Salazar/Rupp more seriously if you weren't CONSTANTLY looking for excuses to bash them and insulting everyone who disagrees with you?

I have no "protest against Salazar/Rupp," so it is difficult to address your opinion.

Kip is so old school he uses cold laser therapy... so blue collar...

http://www.flotrack.org/video/494406-Bernard-Lagat-gets-treatment-from-Dr-David-Pascal-after-the-2-mile-at-the-2011-Pre-Classic

Bernie is so old school tha he micro doses epo

Altitude tents are a waste of time and money if they don't work, and stupid if they do as a really artificial heads up on your less wealthy competitors. Either possiblity bugs me. I don't know what the consensus is but it seems like it works for Mo Farah and Rupp.

Azaleas wrote:

Well he went to college here, married an American woman, and lives here, so getting citizenship makes sense. Plus, it's not like he had any problems making Kenya's teams.

I believe he married a Canadian...

Ask the hard ones wrote:

Yeah, Lagat is so "old school" that he abandoned his native country to seek personal glory. The competition to make national distance teams in the U.S. is just a teeny bit softer than in Kenya, no?

anyone with half a brain would get out of Kenya

I think the article does a good job of pointing out that guys like lagst who just get out and run are the ones having the most success. Now that full et al are doing the same, they're running better. Ditch the tents Alberto.

Lagat was born in Kenya and trains in Flagstaff, whereas Rupp was born in and trains in Oregon. I think it's obvious which one of them would actually benefit from an altitude tent.

training in your sleep wrote:

Altitude tents are a waste of time and money if they don't work, and stupid if they do as a really artificial heads up on your less wealthy competitors. Either possiblity bugs me. I don't know what the consensus is but it seems like it works for Mo Farah and Rupp.

Could it be just an excuse to explain a positive drug test?

Go Afrika wrote:

training in your sleep wrote:

Altitude tents are a waste of time and money if they don't work, and stupid if they do as a really artificial heads up on your less wealthy competitors. Either possiblity bugs me. I don't know what the consensus is but it seems like it works for Mo Farah and Rupp.

Could it be just an excuse to explain a positive drug test?

"I did it!" isn't exactly an excuse for a positive test.

I think everything about his statement makes sense. He is in fact old school. He and his entire families heritage was born and lived at altitude. It's been proven over and over again that being born and coming from a family at altitude will always trump any sort of temporary training at altitude and/or living in a tent. I don't believe he's doping and I think that Bernard Legat is a perfect example of what an immigrant can bring to this country. He's a fantastic athlete and a fantastic competitor, who clearly loves and appreciates his country. There is absolutely no reason to divide our Olympic team based on training preferences or needs.

Well since he made the Olympic team for Kenya in the 1500 years ago it isn't that. But he did marry an American and maybe she didn't want to live in Kenya and endure the hardship and danger that would come with that.

Ask the hard ones wrote:

Yeah, Lagat is so "old school" that he abandoned his native country to seek personal glory. The competition to make national distance teams in the U.S. is just a teeny bit softer than in Kenya, no?

You might remember that unless you're an Native American Indian, somewhere along the line your parents or grandparents or great grandparents...etc..etc...abandoned their countries to come to the USA.

Also if you are born in Kenya from of those magic tribes, lived there growing up and your ancestors lived there, you already have all the necessary physiological tools to be a decent runner. You don't need altitude tents.

EPO Gin wrote:

Well, when you're taking EPO there's no point to an altitude tent. That's like taking a glass of orange juice with your 10 grams of vitamin C.

Epo works great with an altitude tent. The tent holds the crit at the elevated level longer than epo alone. Also elites use them leading up to tested races by micro dosing epo (or if you live in Africa, you don't even need to worry about mding because the likelihood of being tested in 0) and then switching to the tent one week out to ensure a clean test while keeping all the extra rbc's.

Jesse Douglas-Tesch wrote:

I think everything about his statement makes sense. He is in fact old school. He and his entire families heritage was born and lived at altitude. It's been proven over and over again that being born and coming from a family at altitude will always trump any sort of temporary training at altitude and/or living in a tent. I don't believe he's doping and I think that Bernard Legat is a perfect example of what an immigrant can bring to this country. He's a fantastic athlete and a fantastic competitor, who clearly loves and appreciates his country. There is absolutely no reason to divide our Olympic team based on training preferences or needs.

True. The International Olympic Committee makes the rules on eligibility, and that's where the requirement needs to originate whether it be something liberal like a 5 year residency rule or a more draconian "born and raised in" rule, or something inbetween.

Billmillers wrote:

(or if you live in Africa, you don't even need to worry about mding because the likelihood of being tested in 0)

Ever heard of John Ngugi?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Ever heard of John Ngugi?

Okay smart ass, I'll rephrase that. If you live in a third world country you have very little chance of being tested. If you are, you can pay off your testers with very little money. Sisay is a great example, that motherfocker sub qd 5k 3x wkly his entire career, and didn't get epo tested until that marathon. You can only md 500iu iv and pass a test.

Billmillers wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Ever heard of John Ngugi?

Okay smart ass, I'll rephrase that. If you live in a third world country you have very little chance of being tested. If you are, you can pay off your testers with very little money. Sisay is a great example, that motherfocker sub qd 5k 3x wkly his entire career, and didn't get epo tested until that marathon. You can only md 500iu iv and pass a test.

Why would Sisay have been tested prior to New York? Was he ranked top 30 in anything? He was a shit runner and not in a testing pool. If you want to run bullshit races and never put in any serious times and never get world ranked, then yeah, have at it. No one will test you.

Let's talk about paying testers off (I'll give a point if you can tell me where the testers in East Africa come from). When a tester comes and is assigned to take blood and urine, what does he do if he's flashed some money? Use his own blood? How's that going to go over when it's put together with previous and future samples as part of the biological passport program? Have you thought about two samples coming in from one athlete but showing up as different blood types?

Do you have any first hand accounts or any hard evidence of any kind to back up your claims or was this all entirely conjecture on your part (or on the part of some jaded has been)?

Ask the hard ones wrote:

Yeah, Lagat is so "old school" that he abandoned his native country to seek personal glory.

Pathetic. Little. Moron.

Are you aware that with the exception of a small percentage of Americans, the US is a country descended entirely from immigrants.

Uhhhhhhhh, yeah......your great great grreat grandfather abandoned Ireland for personal glory...little easier to eat in the US then in an Irish famine!

You are so dumb it hurts me to read your words. Physical pain.