There are so many threads about whether I can get money from a college and blah blah. So here we go, what sort of times do you need by the end of Junior Year in the 5k, 3200, 1600, and 800 in order to get the following:
D1 Full scholarship:
D1 Little Bit of money:
D1 Walk-on:
D2 Full scholarship:
D2 Little Bit of money:
D2 Walk-on:
D3 Full scholarship:
D3 Little Bit of money:
D3 Walk-on:
D3 does not give out athletic scholarships, so go ahead and axe that group.
One source of time guidelines here:
http://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting-tools/College-Track-Recruiting/mens-track-recruiting-guidelines
D1 Full scholarship: sub 4:10 1600
D1 Little Bit of money: sub 4:17 1600
D1 Walk-on: sub 4:25 1600
D2 Full scholarship: sub 4:20 1600
D2 Little Bit of money: sub 4:32 1600
D2 Walk-on: Sub 4:40 1600.
D3 Full scholarship: None.
D3 Little Bit of money: None.
D3 Walk-on: everyone.
I guess change the D3 category to:
D3 Recruit (they can't give money, but they can push admission)
D3 Walk-on
This just shows the folly of posting up standards like this, as though one size fits all based on classification. I know a local guy who got money based on a 4:32 1600m from a D1 school. Sure, they weren't a great D1 school and it was not a lot of money but he did get a scholarship at a time that people are posting would not even let him walk on.
+1 x run's link
To add on to Mr. Obvious' point, it is just stupid to put up these standards because it doesn't work like that. Here is just one of many reasons why. Good coaches try to get athletes that will mesh well with the vibe/atmosphere/dynamic of their team. I got a decent scholarship to run at my school. My coach wanted me on the team because I ran well but also had the type of personality he thought would work on the team. Coach wouldn't talk to another guy who was interested in the school and had better times than I because he didn't think his personality would be a good addition to the team. (My coach told me this when I had been part of the team for a while) This is just my experience but I bet other coaches do similar things. The point is that a checklist of certain PB's rarely equates to a certain scholarship.
The stats that were put up on the link are very incorrect for D2, D3, and NAIA, unless you're talking the top 5 teams in each. You don't need a 9:30 3200 to get a scholarship to a school like Augustana (SD). You also definitely don't need a 9:45 to get recruited by a D3 school, except maybe the perennial title contenders.
I would have to assume that the D2 etc. schools also can be separated into tiers as well. I know a D3 school that would kill to get 18 flat 5k guys interested.
You've left out NAIA and NJCAA schools.
And NJCAA has both Div. 1 (scholarship) and Div. 3 (non-scholarship).
NJCAA Divs. 1 & 2 merged maybe 6-7 years ago?
Come to think about it, NAIA has divisions, too?
I know JUCOs with higher scholarship standards that many Div. 2s.
AL Carius and North Central D3
And John Fulkrod from UM-Dultuh D2
had a ton of intrest in me as a 4:35 miler
I was offerd money in 1994
oslo wrote:
D1 Full scholarship: sub 4:10 1600
D1 Little Bit of money: sub 4:17 1600
D1 Walk-on: sub 4:25 1600
D2 Full scholarship: sub 4:20 1600
D2 Little Bit of money: sub 4:32 1600
D2 Walk-on: Sub 4:40 1600.
D3 Full scholarship: None.
D3 Little Bit of money: None.
D3 Walk-on: everyone.
I have never read something so wrong in my entire life.
oblivious wrote:
oslo wrote:D1 Full scholarship: sub 4:10 1600
D1 Little Bit of money: sub 4:17 1600
D1 Walk-on: sub 4:25 1600
D2 Full scholarship: sub 4:20 1600
D2 Little Bit of money: sub 4:32 1600
D2 Walk-on: Sub 4:40 1600.
D3 Full scholarship: None.
D3 Little Bit of money: None.
D3 Walk-on: everyone.
I have never read something so wrong in my entire life.
If that's so wrong, would you mind correcting it?
At the D1 level, VERY few athletes are on full athletic scholarships. At the universities I know, not a single athlete on the team was on a full athletic scholarship. The max anyone was on was about 70%. If you don't believe me, read Running with the Buffaloes. Jorge and Ed Torres were offered what? 60% each to run for CU? And they were big name FLN finalists and everything.
This is kind of a silly question anyways as running for somewhere like Montana is going to be hugely different than running for Stanford. I've known guys as slow as 10:00 3200m who were able to get a little money (think like books + 10%) at some schools, and I know of a guy who ran 4:15 and 1:52 as a junior and wasn't offered any money at all from a not so great school (never makes xc nationals), so it really depends. Any times people throw out are going to be a broad estimate with exceptions. If a kid wants to know if they'd receive scholarship money, they should check out the roster and see where they would fall on the depth chart. If they'd immediately contribute to top 3 on the team, expect a fair amount of money. If only top 7, expect a little money. If not in the top 7, expect little to no money. That's how I would gauge it.
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