Survey: Are Salazar's or Schumacher's groups doping?

Azaleas wrote:

I consider the things that Salazar's group does openly (everyone needs thyroid meds, inhalers?) to be borderline doping, even if they're technically OK.

qiuet wrote:

The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?

Mary Slaney is Lee Haney wrote:

Alberto was Slaney's coach when she finally got caught.

The circumstantial evidence, and it is substantial, is not any one thing, but a series of individual pieces of evidence taken together. Just as having one Carl Lewis--or one Usain Bolt that is claimed to be a freak of nature--is perhaps believable, but when you have 50 Jamaicans....

Guilty as charged. But Jerry seems to be a cult director that poo-poos technical stuff, so I find his involvement to be doubtful. But Jerry's results in Deagu...

So Salazar group is doping but Schumaker is clean because if he were dirty than Solinsky would be dirty and no way our Solinsky is dirty. Nothing but bas ass white-American sub 12:55 genetics there.

So you guys all think that Rupp has to be doping to run 26:4x, and Solinksy is pure as snow and can run 26:5x?

Rupp has been better (comparing age to age) than Solinsky. If you think that Galen is doping, you have to think that Chris is too.

If you think one is clean, you have to think that the other is too.

99% of guys under 2:10 are doping. It really doesn't even matter anymore; it's never going to stop happening, but pretty much everyone has access and the playing field is relatively fair at this point. End of story.

Miles Larue wrote:

My purpose in starting the thread isn’t to say they are. It’s just to get a feel for what the majority of people think

This is AlSal or an operative. He is trying to determine if he has enough wiggle room to ramp up the program after worlds/before Olys.

Or, it's Schummy doing the same thing.

I don't think Salazar would do anything that breaches the rules. I could be wrong but that's just my opinion on it. If some of his guys are using EPO/testosterone/HGH/whatever he doesn't know about it.

I do think he might cross the line sometimes. Wisconsin's guys have enough trouble staying healthy that they're probably not doping.

qiuet wrote:

The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?

Quite a lot I would imagine.

Only the Kenyan/Ethiopian athlete will be down on the sheet as being 20 years old and not 26.

Farah is the age he says he is.

Is the OP (Mile Larue) on drugs (dope)?

The think answer is an obvious yes. He is crazy, parinoid and dilusional.

Far more evidence for this than what he is suggesting.

I do not believe either of them are doping.

Kara Goucher would not be leaving the Salazar program for the Schumaker program if there weren't similar "resources."

qiuet wrote:

The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?

Is this really that big of an improvement? When he was a 13:07 runner was he racing/pacing well? Was he training maxed out? Seems like a poor example.

Raptured wrote:

99% of guys under 2:10 are doping. It really doesn't even matter anymore; it's never going to stop happening, but pretty much everyone has access and the playing field is relatively fair at this point. End of story.

Yeah i 'm sure countries like Morocco have the same test

evading technology as do the US and Russia.

qiuet wrote:

The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?

Farah cut more than half that 14 second gap BEFORE he went to Salazar. If your point is to implicate Salazar, you're using deceptive numbers.

qiuet wrote:

The biggest case against Salazar is Farah. Can anyone else name an African who went from 13:07 to 12:53 between the ages of 26 and 28?

Farah broke 13 two years before switching. Also didn't Solinsky go through a similar improvement around the same age? Racist.

The things that Salazar's group use are not doping. Doping is illegal. Inhalers, thyroid meds, etc. are legal. Hence why Farah, Rupp, Ritz, etc, are allowed to compete. Moral grey area for sure, but not doping.

Schumacher's group has a much more American blue collar feel, so racists like the quoted poster think they don't dope.

For the record, I think both groups are clean, despite the moral grey areas of Salazar and possibly Schumacher (he does have the same resources...).

Thordten wrote:

Yeah i 'm sure countries like Morocco have the same test

evading technology as do the US and Russia.

Morocco has had so many dopers though. Seems like an odd choice to prove your point

Not dead yet wrote:

Azaleas wrote:

I consider the things that Salazar's group does openly (everyone needs thyroid meds, inhalers?) to be borderline doping, even if they're technically OK.

+1

+2.

I know Salazaar is a weird dude and Jerry likes to appear as if he is this small-town just work hard guy, but let's be perfectly real.

Jerry is under way more pressure to win medals on the biggest stage, has sat back and plucked athletes away from other coaches, and is as opportunistic as Salazzar.

To really play on that level with Nike breathing down your neck, yopu have to be a scumbag.

I don't think they're doping because if they were I would expect much better results.

salazar yes

schumacher no

first joke i made to my running friends - does kara know that shalane and lisa koll are clean