Andrew Wheating - Under 3:29 this season or not?

re: 'Unfortunately it does not work like that, becasue you ran a one time 3:30.9 chasing down the leaders, dosen't make you a legit 3:30 guy'

Wheating has a 1500m PR of 3:30.9 and no matter what happens in his career, you can't take that away from him.

What I was trying say...

A town is hit with a horrible hell storm, a roofer that normally makes $50G a years ends up making $50G in one month and a $150G that year. Is the roofer $50G guy or a $150G guy?

'town is hit with a horrible hell storm, a roofer that normally makes $50G a years ends up making $50G in one month and a $150G that year. Is the roofer $50G guy or a $150G guy?'

Just more bs I knew you couldn't resist

Nobody just happens to have a good day 9or month to use your crap analogy unless he had a tornado spinning him round the track!) and run 3:30.9

Are pr is a pr you don't need to run it 10x

I imagine that all true Scotsmen would agree the answer is "no."

not

I believe Wheating's second best time is 3:37.

toro wrote:

I believe Wheating's second best time is 3:37.

Actually, his second best time is whatever he ran enroute to his 3:51 mile at Pre.

Or, should I say, his second best time is whatever his 3:51 mile converts to.

All-time men's best 1500 m

+=intermediate time in 1 Mile race (official, unofficial or estimates)

el g (dropped almost 3 seconds in 1998)

3:26.00 1998

3:26.12 2001

3:26.45 1998

3:26.89 2002

3:26.96 2002

3:27.21 2000

3:27.64 2004

3:27.65 1999

3:28.21+ 1999

3:28.37 1998

3:28.38 2001

3:28.40 2003

3:28.57 1999

3:28.91 1997

3:28.91 1997

3:29.05 1996

3:29.06 2001

3:29.08 2001

3:29.12 1998

3:29.13 2003

3:29.18 2004

3:29.27 2002 (omitting the others, no pre 1996 are below 3:31)

lagat (dropped five seconds or more in 1999, dropped over 1 sec in 2000, dropped over 2 seconds more in 2001)

3:26.34 2001 (KR)

3:27.40 2004 (should be AR)

3:27.91 2002

3:28.51 2000

3:29.21 2004

3:29.30 2005 (AR)

3:29.68 2006

omitted several

3:30.56 1999

3:30.61 1999

morceli (dropped 1.5 sec in 1995, after 3 years, but no sub 3:31 times prior to 1992 when he ran 3:28.86)

3:27.37 1995

3:27.52 1995

3:28.37 1995

3:28.86 1992

3:29.20 1993

3:29.50 1996

3:29.57+ 1993

3:29.99 1996

3:30.06 1993 (stopping here with Morceli)

3:30.72 1992 (omitted a few)

Ngeny (dropped 1/2 sec in 2000, dropped 1.6 sec in 1999, dropped who knows how much in 1998)

3:28.12 2000

3:28.6+ 1999

3:28.73 1999

3:28.84 1999

3:28.93 1999

3:29.19 1999

3:29.79 1999

3:29.99 2000

3:30.28 1999

3:30.34 1998 omitted others from 1998 or later

Cacho (no other times under 3:31! obviously capable of better at other times, given his kick in big races)

3:28.95 1997

Baala (dropped 2 sec in that race in 2003, no times under 3:31 prior to 2003: no other times within 1.82 s of that top race)

3:28.98 2003

3:30.80 2005

3:30.96 2009

3:30.97 2003

Daniel Kipchirchir Komen (dropped .7 in 2006, ran 3:29.72 in 2005 without running under 3:31 in previous years)

3:29.02 2006

3:29.72 2005

3:30.01 2005

3:30.27 2006

3:30.37 2005

3:30.49 2005

3:30.77 2005

Ramzi (Mr. CERA)

3:29.14 2006

3:30.00 2005

3:30.25 2004

Niyongabo

3:29.18 1997

3:29.43 1997

3:30.09 1996

3:30.47 1997

3:30.64 1996

3:30.66 1994

Silas Kiplagat

3:29.27 2010

3:30.61 2010

William Chirchir

3:29.29 2001

3:30.88 2002

Aouita

3:29.46 1985

3:29.71 1985

3:30.63 1989

3:30.69 1987

Daniel Komen

3:29.46 1997

3:30.49 1998

Choge

3:29.47 2009

3:30.22 2010

3:30.88 2009

Ali Saïdi-Sief

3:29.51 2001

3:30.78 2001

3:30.82 2000

3:30.91 1999

Amine Laâlou

3:29.53 2010

Cram

3:29.67 1985

3:30.15 1986

3:30.95 1988

Maree

3:29.77 1985

Coe

3:29.77 1986

Laban Rotich

3:29.91 1998

3:30.06 1998

3:30.13 1997

3:30.41 1997

3:30.77 1997

3:30.94 1998

Timothy Kiptanui

3:30.04 2004

3:30.24 2004

Rui Silva

3:30.07 2002

3:30.36 2001

3:30.88 1999

3:30.90 2004

John Kibowen

3:30.18 1998

3:30.36 1998

3:30.44 1997

3:30.76 1998

Haron Keitany

3:30.20 2009

3:30.90 2009

Cornelius Chirchir

3:30.24 2002

3:30.60 2004

3:30.88 2002

Ivan Heshko

3:30.33 2004

Alex Kipchirchir

3:30.46 2004

3:30.82 2005

Alan Webb

3:30.54 2007

Abdi Bile

3:30.55 1989

Reyes Estevez

3:30.57 1999

3:30.87 1998

William Tanui

3:30.58 1997

Benjamin Kipkurui

3:30.67 2001

3:30.73 2000

Paul Korir

3:30.72 2003

Steve Ovett

3:30.77 1983

Fouad Chouki

3:30.83 2003

Andrew Wheating

3:30.90 2010

José Luis González

3:30.92 1985

Tarek Boukensa

3:30.92 2007

Isaac Viciosa

3:30.94 1998

Robert Rono

3:30.99 2002

Issac (sic) Songok

3:30.99 2004

Ryan Gregson, Australian Record holder, 1500m Progression

1500m

2003 4.26.00

2004 4.20.00

2005 4.06.00

2006 3.57.00

2007 3.43.84

2008 3.41.14

2009 3.37.24

2010 3.31.06

could he be the one to run sub 3.29

and could everyone quit talkin about whether someone is a legit 3.30 runner or not!

the topic is clearly not about that, the topic is 'CAN AW RUN SUB 3.29!

and for the sake of buying my mate a drink... i'd rather see that dude a couple of posts above lose his house.

If Wheating lowers his PR by a few 10th and runs consistently in the 3:31/32 range in 2011, that would be great, but it sounds like there are a lot of people who will be dissapointed with that. The above is the most likely scenerio and would suite me fine and probably Wheating himself as well.

No doubt Wheating is talented, but there is a reason why only a hand full of athletes have run 3:29...becasue it is very difficult. The fact that he was able to run so fast out the gate doesn't mean lighting is going to continue to strike. There is a pletohra of Kenyans who ran 3:32 in there first pro season and never ran much faster. I firmly believe in 2010 Wheating was perhaps a legit 3:32/33 guy who had one incredible race. There is nothing he had done before or after that suggest he was a legit 3:30 athlete.

I watched the incredible expectations placed on Webb after his (one) magical race. Some people actually thought that if he ran a 3:53 mile one year then he should run 3:51 the next year. Webb ended up spending several years getting back to 3:53.

webb ended up at 3:46, so clearly the expectations were warranted, but obviously it took time and he changed coaches twice in the interim. wheating's retaining his college coach and there is no reason whatsoever to think that his race was magic. what we know about him is that in college he ran to win and trailed nearly the entire field in most of his races until the last 100 to 200m. he continued to run like that at pre and in europe, but there the fields were faster. when he ran 3:51 at pre, he said that he could have run faster had he gone earlier. so, with wheating, the limiting factor to this point has been mental. when he decides that he can handle a 2:47 or 2:48 1200m, we'll see the sub 3:29/3:45. until he fatigues at the end of a race from having gone out to his limit, rather than running out of room at the end while still kicking faster than nearly anyone, we won't be able to identify his potential. in that race, he just does not look like he's going for it as he sits at the way back of the pack. gregson's obviously another good candidate for a sub 3:30. hard to believe how consistently he's improved and he was just a step behind wheating.

http://www.letsrun.com/2010/monaco-recap0722.php

jjjjjjjjjj wrote:

webb ended up at 3:46,

Ahem. Webb ended up at 3:47

Round Here wrote:

Ahem. Webb ended up at 3:47

?????????????

doo doo wrote:

Round Here wrote:

Ahem. Webb ended up at 3:47

?????????????

3:46.91

Not really all that puzzling.

??? perhaps.

But ????????????? ?

His face is far too long for him to ever run under 3:29

I don't know if Wheating goes sub 3:29 this year....but think about this - we've got 3 Americans who are fully capable of going sub 3:30 this year:

Lagat - 3:26pr

Wheating - 3:30.91pr

Webb - 3:30.54pr

No country has ever had three guys break 3:30 in the same year. US could very well become the 1st in 2011. You heard it here first.

Mgata Nbigiti wrote:

I don't know if Wheating goes sub 3:29 this year....but think about this - we've got 3 Americans who are fully capable of going sub 3:30 this year:

Lagat - 3:26pr

Wheating - 3:30.91pr

Webb - 3:30.54pr

No country has ever had three guys break 3:30 in the same year. US could very well become the 1st in 2011. You heard it here first.

You are joking right?