highest mileage d1 teams

On flotrack Stanford's coach said that Derrick and the guys run a little more than 100 mpw.

sorry to rain on your parade wrote:

I completely disagree. There probably is not a single runner that competes SUCCESSFULLY at the D1 level, FOR DISTANCE, that doesnt hit 100 mpw. Talent only goes so far. The reason your Solinsky's and McDougals and Chelanga's are so dominatant is because they run more than everyone else. Honestly, thats the trick. Its a funny little secret that people dont pay attention to. When someone is real good, they just assume tons of talent. honestly I wasn't that good, then I ran a lot and all of a sudden according to other runners I had "natural talent". Its a bunch of BS. Trust me on this. 100mpw is a staple of successful distance running accross the world. You find me a Kenyan that doesnt do that and we can talk. Because you wont.

Where do you get this information from? How do you know that all these guys do all this mileage? There is a lot of this, "Everybody just KNOWS that all the good guys do big miles" on here. Find me a Kenyan that DOES do 100 miles a week with some sourcing.

No physiological justification for 100 miles/week.

Wheating just won two NCAA titles 800/1500m with 50/week. The most dominant collegiate at 800/1500 all-time was Cruz, who also ran high quality moderate mileage.

3000m/5000m

Both Chapa (7:37) and McChesney (13:14) ran less mileage as collegiates than in HS and improved dramatically to run US collegiate bests. McChesney was running closer to 60/week.

10000m

Chalanga has said he does not do so well on McDougall volume. He was actually averaging much less when he set the NCAA 10000m record, some of the mileage reduction due to injury and energy troubles sustained trying to do more. In his his interviews following the record run he said he had tapered for some time, focusing more on quality. Rupp managed quite well on 80/week. A great factor in his development as a collegiate has been the improvement of speed at 800/1500m. And the only guy who can beat Rupp over 10000m is also faster in 800,1000,1500 and 3000m.

And I can't help but notice that Rupp has run considerably faster for 10000m on 80/week, than Salazar ran doing 120 or more.

And of course at the Open level, the bulk of US middle distance records are held by athletes who ran 50-70 miles/week on average. Manzano is best at 60/week. Huling around 60/week also. Lagat has won gold medals doing a good 50-70/week in training.

So about our aspiring NCAA runner... if he is running 70 miles/week he is doing very close to what some of the best collegiates of all time have done for training.

That's just flat out WRONG.

I am on the Oregon team, I practice with these guys. Despite what you think you know. Wheatie is HUGE in to extra mileage. the thing is these guys only tell you about their QUALITY MILEAGE. that's how they are coached. They dont count the 5 mile cool down they go on after the race, because the pace is too slow. I know for a fact Rupp doesn't count miles unless they are at 6 minute pace or better. And further, After talking to Chalanga after national, he told me he just goes by total time on a run, and averages everything out at 7 minute pace to be conservative. It's called BADGER MILES last time I check. so yeah they can tell the public they only run "85" miles a week, but everyone on the inside of these organizations knows that its closer to 110. I mean do the math your self. not counting cool downs, and saying your runs were at 7 minute pace, it is not hard to find an extra 15-25 miles in there each week. So you stand corrected 100+

Too strong a statement here. Jerry and Tegenkamp figured out that he could not consistently hit high mileage and stay healthy, so his mileage was under 100 I am quite sure (probably 70-80); of course, "he does not run any stinken' 10,000s".

sorry to rain on your parade wrote:

I completely disagree. There probably is not a single runner that competes SUCCESSFULLY at the D1 level, FOR DISTANCE, that doesnt hit 100 mpw. Talent only goes so far. The reason your Solinsky's and McDougals and Chelanga's are so dominatant is because they run more than everyone else. Honestly, thats the trick. Its a funny little secret that people dont pay attention to. When someone is real good, they just assume tons of talent. honestly I wasn't that good, then I ran a lot and all of a sudden according to other runners I had "natural talent". Its a bunch of BS. Trust me on this. 100mpw is a staple of successful distance running accross the world. You find me a Kenyan that doesnt do that and we can talk. Because you wont.

Miles Batty sure has been pretty successful....

University of Dayton is a high mileage program with several runners at 100mpw+ during base phase

So should we assume that everyone is doing an extra 30 or so a week, or only people that aren't doing as much mileage as you think is necessary for success?

research wrote:

It is nice to see that you took your college decision making process very seriously and found out what the program that you chose was like before you went there.

I honestly cannot understand how this happens. You are talking about one of the most important decisions in your life and you didn't bother to take the time to find out what kind of program you were going to? Unbelievable.

Maybe there was a change in coaches at his school. Or maybe -- just maybe -- he took his college decision-making process very seriously, but instead of making his decision based on what kind of mileage a particular coach at a particular school in a particular year may have prescribing for the athletes on a particular team, he was making his decision based on things like . . . oh, gosh, I don't know . . . academics?

This is the stupid argument the high mileage crowd always uses. "They don´t count this, they don´t count that". I would like to see your source on Rupp´s training. Why the hell would elite runners, in our time when everybody is so caught up in every little detail, not count all the miles they do each week? You pretend to have a lot of insight in this: "EVERYONE ON THE INSIDE::" BLAH BLAH. Give us credible sources or quit talking a lot of bs.

"My personal view, is that less is more..."

Ah, the good old Amerikan way....trying to get more without putting in the effort!

"Sorry to rain on your parade" = one of the least knowledgeable people to post on letsrun.com. The problem is he or she thinks they are pretty well informed. Yes many top runners have succeeded on less than 100 miles per week, including Solinsky in college. Don't try to use examples of well known people that many people know how they trained. None of your many different points have any basis in fact and most points can easily be refuted by just doing some research.

milq wrote:

"My personal view, is that less is more..."

Ah, the good old Amerikan way....trying to get more without putting in the effort!

Isn't that, like, the definition of efficiency?

Avocado's Number wrote:

research wrote:

It is nice to see that you took your college decision making process very seriously and found out what the program that you chose was like before you went there.

I honestly cannot understand how this happens. You are talking about one of the most important decisions in your life and you didn't bother to take the time to find out what kind of program you were going to? Unbelievable.

Maybe there was a change in coaches at his school. Or maybe -- just maybe -- he took his college decision-making process very seriously, but instead of making his decision based on what kind of mileage a particular coach at a particular school in a particular year may have prescribing for the athletes on a particular team, he was making his decision based on things like . . . oh, gosh, I don't know . . . academics?

To be posting on here he is obviously taking his running pretty seriously and is frustrated about the coaching, when he could have found this stuff out before he went to this school. A coaching change could be possible, but I think he would have posted that.

As fas as the point about academics, I always get a kick out of that comment. Do you honestly believe that if a person does enough research, he can't find a school that fits his needs both academically AND athletically? Of course they can and if someone chooses a school strictly on academics, then they really can't complain about how the coaching isn't right. He had a choice.

Maybe the OP just decided during the school year that he wants to run serious mileage.

ive raced this year and have not improved...and im not saying i need to hit 100 miles per week. im just saying i want to run over 70 and he wont let me, our highest mileage guys are at like 80 and i feel like for me to be good at this level im going to have to be running more then that. i have decided that i want to run serious mileage, but my coach wont let me..he flips if i run more then what he wants. ive talked to him about it multiple times. we have a couple of the best runners in the nation on our team and they can run 70 mpw but im just simply not that talented...my coach doesnt let me run any more mileage then he wants...i snuck in morning runs in winter and then he figured out and flips out how i dont buy into his training... which i really dont buy into it long term atleast. maybe for this year its fine because im adjusting but when i see that our other guys arent running much more im not sure that this is the place for me long term, which SUCKS because i love our team, love the school, its a great fit academically and geographically and in my price range, i love the conference and how our team is competitive and that we always have good competition.. i dont know i guess i should be buying in. everyone else is running fast, no reason why i shouldnt be. But i guess im just asking what schools are known for being higher mileage?

Scholarly wrote:

As fas as the point about academics, I always get a kick out of that comment. Do you honestly believe that if a person does enough research, he can't find a school that fits his needs both academically AND athletically? Of course they [sic] can and if someone chooses a school strictly on academics, then they [sic] really can't complain about how the coaching isn't right. He had a choice.

That's silly. Of course someone who chooses a school based on academics can complain, quite legitimately, about poor coaching. In fact, he can even complain, quite legitimately, about cockroaches in the dorm and bad food in the cafeteria, even though he probably didn't choose his school based on the cleanliness of the dorms and the quality of campus food.

And yes, I do honestly believe that, regardless of the amount of research he does, a student who is committed to a certain academic program or quality of education may have to settle for an athletic program that is not quite what he wants. Many excellent students each year are faced with such trade-offs.

My coach is actually quite good, were a very successful team.. I just don't know if I'm talented enough for a system like this. I want to work harder, and to never have to wonder what if..

ludaj wrote:

everyone else is running fast, no reason why i shouldnt be.

Sure there is. You may simply be someone whose body responds well to higher mileage, and doesn't respond well to lower mileage and perhaps higher intensity.

I didn't really improve in college until I quit going to the team's daily interval work-outs and upped my mileage on the roads. Fortunately, I did well enough on my own training program to be of some value to the team, so the coach generally seemed to tolerate my self-styled training, but it sounds as though you may not have that option. That sucks.