5000m Specialists: What Is The Fastest You Need To Do In Training?

skujee....mistake no 1......using coe/martin.....study the greats.....not a 'test tube'

just one expert on here wrote:

Coe & Martin have no clue about the 3k or anything else longer than a mile.

History suggests otherwise.

denton wrote:

skujee....mistake no 1......using coe/martin.....study the greats.....not a 'test tube'

Markus, have you read my posts in this thread? :) (As opposed to the BS from my tormenter who is attributing things to me, and whose posts keep dissapearing.)

In the early - mid 90s I was a huge believer in the Coe-Martin physiological zones model, but things have advanced since then, and I've come to the conclusion that great training does not necessarily need to neatly fit into the 4 main zones that Coe-Martin insist on, or follow the distribution patterns that they insist on. It was ONE way of viewing training, it influenced a lot of people (me included), but I no longer listen to Nirvana every day. :)

And I'm not convinced that any 5000m person MUST do "anaerobic capacity" as Coe-Martin describe it.

Bob Schul wrote:

I was extremely worried down th back stretch when I was running all out and wasn't catching Jazy. When I passed Norpoth I saw I was gaining on Jazy and still felt good. With about 140 to go I believed I was going to catch him as he was starting to tie up.

Darren, what did your crack in reply to my input mean?

Been away on vacation, and just getting back to this thread. The point I was trying to make is that, to me, the top speed you might hit in training has almost sero correlation to your 5k ability, and hence hardly figures as an important variable in training. If you disagree with this, then say so. If you're simply dismissing my comment with a snarky retort (I can't tell), then that's fine, I just can't figure out what you mean.

LOLOLOL wrote:

iCoach wrote:

The first fellow is right. 3K pace is aerobic capacity training, not speed work. Now when you're training for a 5K, 3K pace is faster than goal pace, but that does not make it speed work. Speed work is defined as maximum effort sprinting, i.e. flying 30m, etc.

HILARIOUS. Hey guys 800s at 3k pace isn't speedwork. Its, er, ...what is it called iCoach? Oh yes. Aerobic capacity.

Do you have anything intelligent to contribute to this discussion, kid? Posts like that just shows your ignorance.

Good morning Pete. How was your vacation? Actually Pete, it is very simple! 5000m Specialists: What Is The Fastest You Need To Do In Training?I still enjoy reading TNFN, especially you and oldster. :)

Pete wrote:

Darren, what did your crack in reply to my input mean?

Been away on vacation, and just getting back to this thread. The point I was trying to make is that, to me, the top speed you might hit in training has almost sero correlation to your 5k ability, and hence hardly figures as an important variable in training. If you disagree with this, then say so. If you're simply dismissing my comment with a snarky retort (I can't tell), then that's fine, I just can't figure out what you mean.

Skuj wrote:

3000m pace? (So called VO2 max sessions?) 1500m pace? Canova hill sprints? 5000m pace?

Discuss.

(Assume you don't care about anything except for the 5000m event.)

I rarely ran at 5k pace. Longer intervals were slower than race pace, and shorter intervals were faster. Granted I was at high altitude. So I would be doing 1200's at 70 sec/400 on one day, and the other day do 300's at 46-48 the other day might be a steady(6-10 miler at) or interval run(2k repeats at 10k pace). I would end up racing at around 68sec/400 pace. Also drills and strides after regular training runs.

This is in answer to a few questions. First, when I did the 20 x 400 I did them every other Sunday for about three months. The walk was 60 yards with a 60 yd jog.

As far as speed, I ran faster over shorter distances and those were faster than the :60 pace. One thing that must be remembered and Cabal mentioned it, and that is as my body could handle workouts I could either up the speed, cut down the walk or use more of the longer distances up through 400 meters. Usually it was the first two. It came to pass that I would do repeat 150's, 200's or 300's with a short walk, say 20 to 30 meters and Cabal was right when he stated the body was experiencing what would happen on a longer run since my heart rate did not have a chance to fall very much.

I did take my heart rate from time to time during a workout and at one time found it was over 220 BPM and closer to 230. In todays world it would be on my heart monitor but we didn't have such a thing.

That is the other problem. We didn't have the knowledge we have today or the equipment. Igloi's education was close to being Pre-med but even so the studies had not been done. I was using what was workng and continued to go from one plateau to a higher one.

Thanks Bob. Such an honour to have you posting at letsrun.