Could a fit Alan Webb break 3000M WR?

10018292 wrote:

hicham couldnt do it and he ran 3:26 and 12:51...and he could have run much faster than 12"51

El Guerrouj had one shot at it.

Komen by contrast, had a nice build up, running a 7.25, then, about two weeks later, another 7.25 and then getting it right on the day, 8 days later - a 7.20 - and at Rieti, a very fast track.

Had El Guerrouj had that sort of a race schedule - who knows?

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance world records. please be real here people.

Perhaps in 2007 Alan could have ran about what Mottram did, which is 7:27 and perhaps if he didn't have any set backs, he could had gotten to where everyone seems to max out, which is around 7:25. ElG with out a doubt was best suited and he got closer than anyone else which is 7:23.

The record is best suited for a 1500/5000 athletes more so than the other way around; athletes like Geb and KB who were running 100+ mpw in order to also compete at the 10K distance probably weren't getting the requitsite speed work. The record is very-very strong with out a doubt, but it's not out of this world, it's about equal to the strenght of the 1500 or the 5k record. If you could have gotten Geb, ElG and Komen in the same 3k in 1998, that would have been the best opportunity.

Is this a joke? Of all the possible people you come up with Webb?

Forget about Bekele, Lagat, Komon, Ebuya, Kiprop. Lagat is past his prime as far as setting records, and all indications are Bekele is as well. Komon and Ebuya probably lack the raw speed necessary for 7:20 (Bekele probably never had it either). Kiprop is probably has the best shot, but I still don't see him doing it either.

What has given you any indication that Webb could run faster than Morcelli, El Guerrouj, Komen, Gebrselassie, Bekele and Lagat?

gummo wrote:

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance world records. please be real here people.

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance AMERICAN records. please be real here people.

the smartest letsrunner wrote:

gummo wrote:

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance world records. please be real here people.

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance AMERICAN records. please be real here people.

Least of all the mile.

Let's wait for Webb to break 13 in the 5000 before we start talking about WRs. I believe Webb has sub 12:50 potential, but a sub 7:20 3000 is a stretch even by my imagination.

Let's face it - Komen was probably doped up. He ran 7:20.67 in Sept. 1996, an Olympic year, yet didn't run at the Olympics in 1996.

I am not trolling at all, nor am I suggesting he could do it at present. My assumptions are clear and we are talking about a very fit and talented Alan Webb - don't think we have seen the best of him and 3K might eventually be his sweet spot.

i'm most likely right wrote:

Let's face it - Komen was probably doped up. He ran 7:20.67 in Sept. 1996, an Olympic year, yet didn't run at the Olympics in 1996.

I don't think that not going to The Games indicates he was doping. Athletics Kenya is known to screw with people, often keeping some of their best athletes from competing in major championships. And I'm guessing ole Dan had to pee in a cup some time during his storied career.

Concerned Citizen wrote:

i'm most likely right wrote:

Let's face it - Komen was probably doped up. He ran 7:20.67 in Sept. 1996, an Olympic year, yet didn't run at the Olympics in 1996.

I don't think that not going to The Games indicates he was doping. Athletics Kenya is known to screw with people, often keeping some of their best athletes from competing in major championships. And I'm guessing ole Dan had to pee in a cup some time during his storied career.

Exactly, just like Sammy Kitwara from Berlin and Linet Masai from that Half Marathon after Berlin

gummo wrote:

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance world records. please be real here people.

the smartest letsrunner wrote:

a fit alan webb could not break any of the distance AMERICAN records. please be real here people.

kartelite wrote:

Least of all the mile.

Sure, genius. But I meant internationally contested distances. If the mile was actually routinely contested, say, on the European circuit, Lagat in his 1500 prime would have put it far beyond Webby's reach. (3:29 1500m >> 3:46 mile)

If it makes you feel better to think he has a chance, I suppose Webb could take a shot at the 50k US record.

Actually, 3:29 for 1500m is about equal to a 3:46 mile.

you can get your answers here :

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

if webb got back to semblance of peak form, i suppose he woud like to be in something like mid-1'44 & perhaps 27'20 shape simultaneously

( it's possible as he gets older he loses some speed & therfore can't get down to that 1'43.8 anymore but will likely compensate with greater over-distance endurance & drop that 27'34

note : he was never in 1'43.8/27'34 shape simultaneously - done in different years )

well,

1'44.5 / 27'20 ->

2'13.6 , 3'28.4 ! , 4'45.5 , 7'24.3 ! , 12'54.2

he's still long way from 7'20 but that 1500 isn't bad !

if anyone has any other suggested figures, i'll input them

Ventolin, you moron, Webb will NEVER run 7:24. Please, you cannot be serious, as Aouita was more talented and could not. I would suggest you plug in either 27:34 AND 1:44.8 OR 27:20 AND 1:45.1. OR you could plug in 27:50 AND 1:43.9...

idiot

you clearly never saw aouita run

he never ran the 3k or 5k as hard as shoud have, making no effort to push the pace when pacer dropped out & just relying on last lap 54/55 to snatch the record

if he'd made hard push like he shouda, then he woud run helluva lot quicker than 7'29/12'58

as there is big uncertainty in aouita's 10k ability in his peak year of '85, it's pointless to speculate his 1500 -5k potential, as his 10k may have been anywhere between 27'20 - 27'40 & similarly his 800 may have been anywhere between 1'43.5 - 1'44.5 based on how he hunted cram in that last lap

as for webb, learn to read moron :

i said if he ever managed 1'44.5/27'20 ability simultaneously, something he's never demonstrated

as for your "guesses", fwiw :

1'44.8/27'34 ->2'14.1 , 3'29.4 , 4'47.0 , 7'27.1 , 12'59.8

1'45.1/27'20 ->2'14.3 , 3'29.3 , 4'46.5 , 7'25.4 , 12'55.3

1'43.9/27'50 ->2'13.2 , 3'28.7 , 4'46.7 , 7'28.0 , 13'04.1

Ventolin, darling, that middle line looks like Auoita in the year he outkicked Nenow and ran 27:26. The top line looks a little bit like Augustine Choge and the bottom line might be Ramzi at his peak.

aouita in '85 off 1'43.5 - 1'44.5 / 27'20 - 27'40

starting with slowest :

1'44.5 with

27'40 ->2'13.8 , 3'29.2 , 4'47.0 , 7'27.5 , 13'01.5

27'30 ->2'13.7 , 3'28.8 , 4'46.2 , 7'25.9 , 12'57.9

27'20 ->2'13.6 , 3'28.4 , 4'45.5 , 7'24.3 , 12'54.2

1'44.0 with

27'40 ->2'13.2 , 3'28.5 , 4'46.2 , 7'26.6 , 13'00.6

27'30 ->2'13.1 , 3'28.1 , 4'45.4 , 7'25.0 , 12'57.0

27'20 ->2'13.0 , 3'27.7 , 4'44.7 , 7'23.4 , 12'53.4

1'43.5 with

27'40 ->2'12.7 , 3'27.8 , 4'45.4 , 7'25.7 , 12'59.8

27'30 ->2'12.6 , 3'27.4 , 4'44.6 , 7'24.1 , 12'56.2

27'20 ->2'12.5 , 3'27.0 , 4'43.9 , 7'22.5 , 12'52.5

probably somewhere betwee the underlined is ballpark,

say

1'44.25/27'20 -> 2'13.3 , 3'28.1 , 4'45.1 , 7'23.9 , 12'53.8

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