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  • GK
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 7:53pm CST
    re: Study of K.Litton Running
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    The cheating goes back earlier than May 2009.

    Marathonfoto.com

    Gasparilla 5K 15K 2009

    Litton 518

    I found him in the lost & found photos since he doesn't display his bib. I tagged him in 3 shots walking to the finish of the 5k in 18:27.

    It's definitely him, and it's definitely the 5k. The 15k start was 2 hours earlier and you can see a woman (one of the last walkers for the 15k) finishing up on the left in the 3rd photo. I checked the time of the guy coming up on him bib# 12521. That guy finished 3 seconds ahead on gun time, so for sure that's Kip.

    Here's another fun fact for you about Gasparilla 2009 Michelob Challenge. The plaque for 1st Overall was mailed to me. Either he got disqualified or he got a plaque for 1st Overall Masters. Now in 2010 when I got 3rd (jury is still out on that one) I got a plaque or 3rd Overall. Maybe 2010 didn't have a master's division.
  • Clarkston Kent
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:06pm CST
    re: GK
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    GK wrote:

    The cheating goes back earlier than May 2009.

    Here's another fun fact for you about Gasparilla 2009 Michelob Challenge. The plaque for 1st Overall was mailed to me. Either he got disqualified or he got a plaque for 1st Overall Masters. Now in 2010 when I got 3rd (jury is still out on that one) I got a plaque or 3rd Overall. Maybe 2010 didn't have a master's division.

    There's nothing stopping you from contacting the race and asking how they decided who got what & sharing what you know about Kip.
  • GK
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:16pm CST
    re: Clarkston Kent
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    I already emailed them during that last thread and haven't heard back. I'll share if they respond. I just would like to see those races added to the timeline. Plus we have more incriminating photos now.
  • Davison Harrier
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:17pm CST
    re: Clarkston Kent
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    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.
  • Rarintogo
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:24pm CST
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    When he rips that legit 2:49, wearing a Garmin and accompanied by a third party monitor, this thread is going to explode into oblivion as we all beg forgiveness. I am already preparing my formal apology to His Excellency.

    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.
  • Davison Harrier
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:32pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.

    Ohh... I forgot to add the route so you could see it was an honest mile loop: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4235376
  • powerofreason
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:45pm CST
    re: Rarintogo
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    Rarintogo wrote:

    When he rips that legit 2:49, wearing a Garmin and accompanied by a third party monitor, this thread is going to explode into oblivion as we all beg forgiveness. I am already preparing my formal apology to His Excellency.

    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.


    Even if he runs a 2:50, that doesn't prove that he didn't cheat in those other races.

    There's no denying that he has fabricated results for at least three races that don't even exist, and the evidence is overwhelming (including several post-race DQ's) that he's been a serial cheater in a number of real races. If he or any of his blinkered sycophants suggest otherwise, you'll know them for what they are.

    So, Davison Harrier, when you can come up with an explanation for the "West Wyoming Marathon" or the "Pine Hills 5k," please do so.
  • fred
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    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:49pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.

    Ohh... I forgot to add the route so you could see it was an honest mile loop: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4235376


    There's no blue line at the bottom. Is that the part that
    the part where you hop in a car?
  • dontdonate
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:51pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Davison Harrier,

    It's great you know Kip and run with him. And nice workout. Seems Kip is doing well. Would it be possible to ask Kip to join this thread and post some data on how and why all of these anomalies have occurred with his marathons? And why he chose to cheat in the races where he has admitted to cheating?

    And possibly address why his name showed up in a Wyoming race that did not exist? I guess there are many questions actually. It would be kind of like an interview of sorts. And the publicity is right up Kip's alley.

    That would be very nice of you - and Kip. I'm sure you have already mentioned this thread to him so it would just be a bit of a side question for Kip. If I had a LR thread dedicated to me, my friends would certainly have told me about it.

    Also, he sounds like a great guy. And very fit for a masters runner.
  • Dan the Masters Man
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    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:53pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Thanks for the heads-up, but there's no Kip Litton registered at Myrtle Beach yet, according to Active.com.
  • off course Oscar
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 8:56pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Nobody who can run a 2:49 cheats in a relay. Explain that. You can't. Cheating in a bloody relay, that is pathetic.

    A bogus email from himself with another generic name, Brian Smith? Come on already.

    Nobody who is a real runner covers his or her number up for pretty much every race they ran. Do you?

    He made up races that didn't exist. Why?

    He ran through the finish line of the Crim in a sub 57, saying later that he took a wrong turn. Totally 100% impossible.

    I bet that is Kip or a twin brother with the blue jacket on and similar or exact same tights as a different race that Kip ran.

    *******Look at the arm carriage and look at the picture below it on Study of K. Litton blog. I'd say they are pretty close to exact.******

    Look at the face. Jacket over the number, hat and sunglasses, same form and look in the face. The ring mean nothing fellas. On in one race off in another. Too damn similar.

    His face doesn't have to look exactly the same. His face in the 5k at Boston does NOT look like the same face at the 30k picture jogging on the shoulder, albeit with his face down.

    This guy running a 2:49, yeah right! Show me the 1:28 half, as in verified proof that he did it and if so, how does that translate to all of these 2:52's and 2:49 crap. What a bloody joke.
  • off course Oscar
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:01pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Obviously an complete idiot poster. Kip, break 2:50. If you do that Kip you will become my new dentist. You cheated in a little fun relay at the Freep, but suddenly you can run faster than ever before. Whether this is Kip himself, a friend of his, or a troll.......I actually feel sorry for you to be so insecure to actually think people will think more highly of you for breaking 3 hours. Sad.
  • off course Oscar
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:03pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Oh sorry, I forgot. He can't break 17 for 5k, but he can manage 5:33 for 7 miles in training. Moderators, PLEASE get his IP address and ban this bozo. PLEASE.
  • fred
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    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:04pm CST
    re: off course Oscar
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    The food station at mile 16 looks like your best bet for
    cutting the course at Myrtle Beach.
  • Liptodakip
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:07pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.

    Ohh... I forgot to add the route so you could see it was an honest mile loop: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4235376


    Nothing to see here, move along . . .
  • off course Oscar
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:15pm CST
    re: off course Oscar
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    Last post for the night.

    Compare that photo that is on the blog. Blue jacket guy and guy with no shirt. Sorry, that's Kip in the blue jacket before or after a change. Remember, he's not going to cheat with his shirt off because now you have a picture to compare it to....the Bobby Crim. His body features would be too obvious with his shirt off.

    Apparently I am the only guy to believe it's Kip in both photos. Those faces in the Crim and the other race are identical. Heck, blow it up. The left knee in both photos is exactly the same and look at the knee cap. Laugh, but they are exact, not just his arm carriage that are exactly the same.

    Nice work on the photos and I will be the lone holdout that it IS KIP in both photos.



    http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1157043431_v7Kh6-A-LB
  • Ekiden man
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:20pm CST
    re: Davison Harrier
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    Davison Harrier wrote:

    Kip and I ran a nice marathon tune up workout today. I couldn't keep up with him towards the end. The workout was 7 * mile with a 5:33 average.

    He's rounding into shape and should break 2:50 at the Myrtle Beach Marathon.

    how much rest after each mile repeat?
  • Kevin52
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    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:25pm CST
    re: off course Oscar
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    off course Oscar wrote:
    This guy running a 2:49, yeah right! Show me the 1:28 half, as in verified proof that he did it and if so, how does that translate to all of these 2:52's and 2:49 crap. What a bloody joke.

    Awww c'mon Oscar, cut the guy some slack. If you ran 10 marathons all under 3 hrs in 2010 at age 48-49 you would be too tired to run under 1:28 too... even if one of the marathons didn't exist ;-)

    http://www.athlinks.com/myresultsadv.aspx?rid=3908643
  • Study of K.Litton Running
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:51pm CST
    re: Kevin52
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    timeline v3 revised


    Date Event Gun Time Chip Time Difference Key Suspicions

    02/28/09 Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 5K 00:22:29 00:18:27 00:04:02 Photos show subject walking during 18:27 5K

    02/28/09 Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 15K 01:01:47 00:58:41 00:03:06 33:07 for 1st Half (7.5K)

    02/28/09 Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – Marathon 03:00:46 02:56:39 00:04:07 1:34:11 for 1st Half

    05/23/09 Bayshore (Michigan) Marathon 02:55:40 02:52:58 00:02:42 1:30:13 1st Half; 1:22:45 2nd Half

    08/22/09 Crim (Michigan) 10 mile ? 00:56:55 ? unusually fast time; “removed” from official results, yet result is still listed on Athlinks.com

    09/06/09 New Mexico Marathon 02:58:38 02:57:53 00:00:45 5000ft Altitude; 2nd overall; delayed start; 4th place finisher swears he didn't see him

    10/04/09 City of Trees (Idaho) Marathon ? 02:55:45 ? Race Director DQ for awards – missing from photographs at key locations along race course

    10/18/09 Detroit Free Press Marathon Relay ? ? ? RACE DIRECTOR DQ subsequent to investigation of relay team

    11/01/09 Manchester City Marathon (NH) ? 02:54:06 ? Negative split – 1:28:13, 1:25:53; race is hillier and more difficult in 2nd half

    01/17/10 PF Chang Arizona Marathon 02:55:28 02:51:21 00:04:07 video; net difference

    02/27/10 Gasparilla 15K 00:57:11 00:54:05 00:03:06 went through half in 29:11(7.5K)

    02/27/10 Gasparilla 5K 00:20:40 00:17:33 00:03:07 walking @17:33 5K

    02/27/10 Gasparilla Marathon 02:57:56 02:53:52 00:04:04 1:31:01 1st half

    03/20/10 Shamrock (Virginia) 8K 00:35:15 00:29:10 00:06:05 long sleeve & long pants, finished with slower people because he started so far back

    03/21/10 Shamrock (Virginia) Marathon 02:56:53 02:53:15 00:03:38 outfit change (pants, jacket)

    04/11/10 Go! St. Louis Marathon 02:59:31 02:54:25 00:05:06 missing splits for 6miles & 20miles, and all other in finishers in the top 20 (Kip was 19th) have these splits

    04/18/10 BAA Boston 5K Road Race 00:21:21 00:17:17 00:04:04 large difference from gun v. net (4:04)...17:17 net 5K (5:34 pace/mile) in a baggy blue windbreaker and long pants

    04/19/10 BAA BOSTON MARATHON ? 02:52:12 ? outfit change (pants, ball cap)

    05/02/10 Providence COX Marathon 02:56:13 02:52:39 00:03:34 outfit change (shoes, shorts)

    05/16/10 Delaware Marathon DISQUALIFIED – 02:57:16 N/A N/A RACE DIRECTOR DQ

    05/30/10 KeyBank Vermont City Marathon 02:53:36 02:49:02 00:04:34 net difference; 6:11/mi for final 10K

    07/03/10 West Wyoming Marathon Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED a 02:56:12 N/A N/A FABRICATION – Kip came in 1st place but Race does NOT EXIST! (confirmed by marathonguide.com)

    07/11/10 Missoula Montana Marathon DISQUALIFIED – 02:49 RACE DIRECTOR DQ

    08/28/10 Crim (Michigan) 10 mile DNS – Injury N/A N/A N/A

    09/12/10 MVP Healthcare Rochester (NY) Marathon 02:57:59 02:57:25 00:00:34 1st Master - $300 prize money, start time of 34seconds, with only 13 slower starting runners in a field of about 600; pictures show him clutching at his leg before the finish, then walking across the line

    10/03/10 Maine Half Marathon ? 01:28:14 ? sub-par relative to recent performances. We've heard he was followed by person on bike to ensure he ran full distance.

    11/20/10 Sandy Springs (Atlanta, GA) Half Marathon Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED – 1:20:44 N/A N/A FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST!

    12/01/10 Charlotte Thunderbird Marathon 03:00:24 02:55:20 00:05:04 6:11pace from 13.1 to 20miles, bib covered & walking at finish

    12/04/10 Pine Hills 5K Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED N/A N/A FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST!
  • Kipper Snack
    9 years ago 01/15/2011 9:53pm CST
    re: off course Oscar
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    off course Oscar wrote:
    You cheated in a little fun relay at the Freep, but suddenly you can run faster than ever before.

    Just to clarify, Freep Relay was more than just a little fun. There were 650 relay teams and $750 to the winning team. That's theft if he hadn't been caught.