Solinsky: There has never been an American in history to run three races in a row at this level

Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:

Bob Kennedy: 6th in Olympics 5000 / 7:33.96 / 12:58.21 AR / 7:31.96 (9th fastest in world) --- and that is FOUR in a row (1994)

How did Kennedy not win the 1994 Olympic race?

Because I don't understand why it was necessary to insinuate that the people who didn't understand were idiots. I don't think it does anything useful.

LetsGetRealdotcom wrote:

Solinsky will end up running sub 12:50 and sub 26:50 during the European season

That's IF he can hold his edge through August (I'd be surprised if he can) and IF he runs another 10k.

On an uptick in Solinsky's corner, his training mate Tegenkamp just ran his 4th best 5000 race on the home sod, which bodes well for high performance races in August. If Solinsky can float on Tegenkamp's rising tide he might be able to hold on for another 9 weeks.

WaWaWa wrote:

It really was an off performance in comparison to his last two races. Considering he blew off the American Championships to run this race to try to break 13 on American soil and that the pace was there, it is an extremely disappointing result for his fans.

Maybe he peaked already. But he just didn't have it compared to the last two amazing efforts. It has been a great season for the former Badger, but I know that he has a bunch of races planned for July and August from his European home base at San Moritz which I hope are not going to be steps down from this already slower than expected result. 13:10+ will get you 12th place in the races he will be entering.

The pacing was OK, they fell off pretty bad once the rabbits dropped out from 2-4K going 2:39, 2:40, thats only 13:15-13:20ish pace, which if I remember right was about what Solinsky finished off with too. Extremely disapointing for me would be him going 13:20, but he didnt, he ran with the pack right up to about 700 to go then just couldn't close.

germans are quick wrote:

Because I don't understand why it was necessary to insinuate that the people who didn't understand were idiots. I don't think it does anything useful.

Why did you call yourself an idiot? I didn't.

WaWaWa wrote:

It really was an off performance in comparison to his last two races. Considering he blew off the American Championships to run this race to try to break 13 on American soil and that the pace was there, it is an extremely disappointing result for his fans.

Maybe he peaked already. But he just didn't have it compared to the last two amazing efforts. It has been a great season for the former Badger, but I know that he has a bunch of races planned for July and August from his European home base at San Moritz which I hope are not going to be steps down from this already slower than expected result. 13:10+ will get you 12th place in the races he will be entering.

Unbelievable. And yet, entirely predictable from this pathetic crowd.

malmo wrote:

LetsGetRealdotcom wrote:

Solinsky will end up running sub 12:50 and sub 26:50 during the European season

That's IF he can hold his edge through August (I'd be surprised if he can) and IF he runs another 10k.

On an uptick in Solinsky's corner, his training mate Tegenkamp just ran his 4th best 5000 race on the home sod, which bodes well for high performance races in August. If Solinsky can float on Tegenkamp's rising tide he might be able to hold on for another 9 weeks.

Plans can change but I thought there was a lot of indication that solinsky had run his only 10k this season. Also...are there any major 10ks scheduled this season?

Malmo, I do not agree on the Teg assessment though.

Just because this was his 4th fastest in the U.S.? The guy hardly races enough in any year to link much data at all, in my view, but I am always critical of that and some agree and some do not.

I do not see his last three races as an indicator of anything big at all,neither of the 1500's which I know is way down distance for him and now this one I guess we would just disagree on this.

He was back early off the sub 13:00 runners, so was Solinsky, right by him at one point, but eased his way to the top group, only to get run away from late.

Teg? Never really at or on 13:00 pace and was dropped hard.To be fair he was probably out over his head for where he is at about 13:0x pace and paid for that on back end.

Maybe you are right, I don;t see it, but I am wrong plenty.

WaWaWa wrote:

It really was an off performance in comparison to his last two races. .

No, it wasn't.

The conditions in this race were quite a bit different than those two previous races. He finished almost exactly where a reasonable handicapper would have projected him to finish at Pre.

Here is a comparison of the three major 5ks so far this year.

Doha 1 12:51.2 KIPCHOGE, Eliud KEN WL

Doha 2 12:51.4 CHEPKOK, Vincent Kiprop KEN PB

Doha 3 13:05.2 MERGA, Jida Imane ETH

Doha 4 13:05.7 BOUJATTAOUI, Chakir MAR PB

Doha 5 13:09.0 RASHED, Essa Ismail QAT

Doha 6 13:17.9 MEDHIN, Teklemariam ERI

Doha 7 13:19.0 ABDULLAH, Ahmad Hassan QAT

Doha 8 13:20.8 ABERE, Kuma ETH

Doha 9 13:32.8 EBUYA, Joseph KEN

Oslo 1 12:53.8 MERGA, Imane ETH PB

Oslo 2 12:54.0 BEKELE, Tariku ETH

Oslo 3 12:54.1 LAGAT, Bernard USA AR

Oslo 4 12:55.1 ROTICH, Lucas Kimeli KEN PB

Oslo 5 12:56.3 CHEPKOK, Vincent Kiprop KEN

Oslo 6 12:56.7 SOLINSKY, Chris USA PB

Oslo 7 12:57.3 BEZABEH, Alemayehu ESP NR

Oslo 8 12:57.8 KISORIO, Matthew Kipkoech KEN PB

Oslo 9 12:58.5 DABA, Bekana ETH PB

Oslo 10 12:59.2 KOMON, Leonard Patrick KEN

Oslo 11 13:00.3 SHAHEEN, Saif Saaeed QAT

Oslo 12 13:07.7 SOI, Edwin Cheruiyot KEN

Oslo 13 13:08.2 SALEL, Daniel Lemashon KEN PB

Oslo 14 13:09.9 KIPCHOGE, Eliud KEN

Oslo 15 13:10.9 KUMA, Abera ETH PB

Pre 1 12:58.9 BEKELE, Tariku ETH MR

Pre 2 12:59.3 GEBREMESKEL, Dejen ETH PB

Pre 3 13:00.2 MERGA, Imane ETH

Pre 4 13:01.2 KIPCHOGE, Eliud KEN

Pre 5 13:05.3 DABA, Bekana ETH

Pre 6 13:07.3 KISORIO, Mathew KEN

Pre 7 13:08.1 SOLINSKY, Chris USA

Pre 8 13:09.8 SALEL, Daniel Lemashon KEN

Pre 9 13:11.0 BIRMINGHAM, Collis AUS PB

Pre 10 13:11.6 BETT, Josphat Kipkoech KEN

Pre 11 13:11.9 KUMA, Abera ETH

Ok, its a fair cop.

trialswatcher wrote:

Teg? Never really at or on 13:00 pace and was dropped hard.To be fair he was probably out over his head for where he is at about 13:0x pace and paid for that on back end.

Maybe you are right, I don;t see it, but I am wrong plenty.

Why would Tegenkamp need to be on 13:00 pace to impress you? He's coming off injury and ran one of his best early season (read US) times in the 5k, despite being behind in training. Another month and he'll be an entirely different runner. There's still 8-9 weeks left in the season.

The way I see it, Tegenkamp is right on track. I'd even characterize his injury delay a blessing in disguise.

2010

13:25.09 SB 13 Pre Eugene OR 3 Jul

2009

13:22.60 2rA Jordan Stanford CA 2 May

13:20.57 1 NC Eugene OR 26 Jun

12:58.56 PB 7 VD Bruxelles 4 Sep

2008

13:29.68 2 NC Eugene OR 30 Jun

2007

13:31.31 2 NC Indianapolis IN 22 Jun

13:07.41 SB 11 VD Bruxelles 14 Sep

2006

13:33.53 3r1 Oregon Inv Eugene OR 21 Apr

13:15.00 2 NC Indianapolis IN 23 Jun

13:04.90 SB 8 DNG Stockholm 25 Jul

2005

13:31.98 3r2 Cardinal Stanford CA 1 May

13:57.96 3 Mideast Bloomington IN 28 May

13:54.55 3h2 NCAA Sacramento CA 8 Jun

13:41.07 5 NCAA Sacramento CA 11 Jun

13:25.36 SB (95) 6 NC Carson CA 24 Jun

George, you are like a chessmaster playing 10 games of speed chess at once and catching us napping. Me with the Kipchoge effort being very similar to Solinsky's drop off from the season's peak.

malmo, ive been reading your posts for a long time and 90% of them are good. please dont fall into the centro trap of acting like a jerk and getting away with it just because you were a fabulous athlete. its not that hard to respectfully disagree with someone even if they dont kiss your ass. maybe youve been on this board too much lol.i doubt ur gonna listen to me anyway haha.

WaWaWa wrote:

George, you are like a chessmaster playing 10 games of speed chess at once and catching us napping. Me with the Kipchoge effort being very similar to Solinsky's drop off from the season's peak.

The problem here is that the Letsun crowd is like a bunch of little kids in a pee-wee soccer game -- they all run directly to the ball without any awareness of what's going on.

Whether or not a runner runs great, poorly or "just right" in any particular race there is little perspective to the overall picture.

Look at the reactions to Manzano's race. I mean the guy just ran 3:33 and these twits are already writing him off becasue he had a bad day. Solinsky had a great race and that somehow morphed to "embarrassing" or even an "off" day. It was neither.

glad you started this thread and see Chris get his credit, but more importantly it was nice to see the past results of others who are worthy of some additional recogination

LetsGetRealdotcom wrote:

...Solinsky will end up running sub 12:50 and sub 26:50 during the European season

No he won't. He will not hit either one of these marks this year.

And Chris Solinsky is a beast - a great runner - and one of the leaders in raising the bar for Americans. My hat is off to him.

But no, he will not hit either one of those marks this year. And those who put up such unrealistic expectations are really doing him a disservice.

Solinsky's own opinion, training, and racing plans:

http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&year=2010&pg=1&event_id=120&video_id=29968&folder_id=2179&offset=14#video

100, 121, 120, 80.

A little more real wrote:

LetsGetRealdotcom wrote:

...Solinsky will end up running sub 12:50 and sub 26:50 during the European season

No he won't. He will not hit either one of these marks this year.

And Chris Solinsky is a beast - a great runner - and one of the leaders in raising the bar for Americans. My hat is off to him.

But no, he will not hit either one of those marks this year. And those who put up such unrealistic expectations are really doing him a disservice.

First, what is unrealistic about 6 second prs? Second, how are any expectations a disservice? Third, why do think he will not?

CS is having a great season and, barring injuries, could potentially run even faster in Europe! I'm sure he has recalibrated his goals for this season and is likely targeting times far faster than those I ventured.