Chris Solinsky, the #3 American alltime American, just ran the 2nd fastest 5000 by an American on American soil. The third incredible performance in a row for him.
13:03.06 Bernard Lagat SB (20) 2 Reebok New York NY 30 May
13:08.11 Chris Solinsky 7 Pre Eugene OR 3 Jul
1) AR in the 10k, 1st sub 27:00 American
2) #3 Alltime in the 5k
3) #2 alltime 5k on American soil.
With ypour experience, do you think steeplechase is his best event?
predicter wrote:
With ypour experience, do you think steeplechase is his best event?
Why would the steeplechase enter in his mind is beyond me?
Great way to put yesterday's race in perspective!
Wow that is quite impressive.
This is impressive, but can he string together 5-6 seasons of 13:0x/7:3x times or faster, like Bob Kennedy? Time will tell.
1999 13:05.54 Zürich 11/08/1999
1998 13:03.57 Berlin 01/09/1998
1997 13:06.62 Stockholm 07/07/1997
1996 12:58.21 Zürich 14/08/1996
1995 13:03.37 Zürich 16/08/1995
1994 13:02.93 Oslo 22/07/1994
1999 7:32.55 Monaco 04/08/1999
1998 7:30.84 Monaco 08/08/1998
1997 7:31.77 Oslo 04/07/1997
1996 7:31.69 Bruxelles 23/08/1996
1995 7:36.15 Monaco 25/07/1995
1994 7:35.33 Nice 18/07/1994
1993 7:38.45 Köln 01/08/1993
Saying that sadly skips over MANY great performances by US athletes over the years. These are better:
Bernard Lagat: wins 1500 WC, wins 5000 WC, wins loaded Zurich 3k field (2007)
Bernard Lagat: 7:32.49 / 12:54 AR / 3:34 (2010)
Alan Webb 3:30.54 / 3:46.91 AR / 1:43.84 (2007)
Bob Kennedy: 6th in Olympics 5000 / 7:33.96 / 12:58.21 AR / 7:31.96 (9th fastest in world) --- and that is FOUR in a row (1994)
Deena Kastor: 2nd in World Cross Champs / 14:54 AR (roads) / world leading 2M time 9:35 / 30:50 AR (track) --- four in a row
Suzy Hamilton: all this in a *one* week period: 3:59.40 (2nd Berlin) / 3:59.43 (1st Rieti) / 4:01.08 (2nd GP Final)
I am sure people who want to do the research could find good triples for people from the 80s or Khannouchi and some of the women. Solinksy has been great, but he is definitely not alone in the triple, and the 2nd fastest American on American soil isn't exactly big bragging rights in my book considering how infrequently fast 5000s in the US are run in peak season.
Read More wrote:
This is impressive, but can he string together 5-6 seasons of 13:0x/7:3x times or faster, like Bob Kennedy? Time will tell.
He's already strung together three consecutive races faster than Kennedy ever did in his entire career. Time has already told.
10k PR advantage Solinsky
5k PR advantage Solinsky
5k on home turf: advantage Solinsky
Game over player 2.
malmo has never been wrong since the inception of internet tnf boards.
doesnt kennedys longevity make him a bit better along with his placings? A decade later US guys should be running faster than him so dont play out the PR's being the whole story. If you want to go back Jim Ryun likely had some good streaks of his own in the 1500/800 but because AJ Acosta ran faster yesterday then some of those runs should that negate that?
Malmo is the robin ficker of the message board.
Read More wrote:
This is impressive, but can he string together 5-6 seasons of 13:0x/7:3x times or faster, like Bob Kennedy? Time will tell.
1999 13:05.54 Zürich 11/08/1999
1998 13:03.57 Berlin 01/09/1998
1997 13:06.62 Stockholm 07/07/1997
1996 12:58.21 Zürich 14/08/1996
1995 13:03.37 Zürich 16/08/1995
1994 13:02.93 Oslo 22/07/1994
1999 7:32.55 Monaco 04/08/1999
1998 7:30.84 Monaco 08/08/1998
1997 7:31.77 Oslo 04/07/1997
1996 7:31.69 Bruxelles 23/08/1996
1995 7:36.15 Monaco 25/07/1995
1994 7:35.33 Nice 18/07/1994
1993 7:38.45 Köln 01/08/1993
irrelevant
what matters at this point is can solinsky show up on one day over the next 4-8 years and bring home a medal, which is something kennedy was never able to do
malmo wrote:13:08.11 Chris Solinsky
Malmo, while i think it's pathetic people are bashing on Solinsky for this race...i also think it's amazing and a great sign...
How long ago would a 13:08 have got everyone off their chair celebrating like crazy? It's an amazing change of events where a 13:08 is a let down. Most years in the past decade+, a 13:08 would have been the fastest time of the year.
Bob Kennedy: 6th in Olympics 5000 / 7:33.96 / 12:58.21 AR / 7:31.96 (9th fastest in world) --- and that is FOUR in a row (1994)
adding to the above performances, Kennedy also had another 12:58 a 13:06 and a 13:04 in July, Aug. and early September of 1996
andre dawson wrote:
malmo has never been wrong since the inception of internet tnf boards.
doesnt kennedys longevity make him a bit better along with his placings? A decade later US guys should be running faster than him so dont play out the PR's being the whole story. If you want to go back Jim Ryun likely had some good streaks of his own in the 1500/800 but because AJ Acosta ran faster yesterday then some of those runs should that negate that?
Malmo is the robin ficker of the message board.
Someone peed in your cornflakes this morning?
Fattty R. Belt Buckle wrote:
Bob Kennedy: 6th in Olympics 5000 / 7:33.96 / 12:58.21 AR / 7:31.96 (9th fastest in world) --- and that is FOUR in a row (1994)
adding to the above performances, Kennedy also had another 12:58 a 13:06 and a 13:04 in July, Aug. and early September of 1996
And yet Solinsky's last three races were all better than Kennedy's best over his entire career. I'm told he was wearing cement shoes at Pre, making it even more impressive.
Whoops I accidentally put 1994 on there instead of 1996, but yes, it's crazy people forget about Kennedy's awesome 1996 season. One could say it's criminal. :) I'd have to check but I think Krummenacker's 02 season where he ran 3:31 and 1:43 in the same week might qualify as well.
some stats wrote:
Saying that sadly skips over MANY great performances by US athletes over the years. These are better:
Bernard Lagat: wins 1500 WC, wins 5000 WC, wins loaded Zurich 3k field (2007)
Bernard Lagat: 7:32.49 / 12:54 AR / 3:34 (2010)
Alan Webb 3:30.54 / 3:46.91 AR / 1:43.84 (2007)
Bob Kennedy: 6th in Olympics 5000 / 7:33.96 / 12:58.21 AR / 7:31.96 (9th fastest in world) --- and that is FOUR in a row (1994)
Deena Kastor: 2nd in World Cross Champs / 14:54 AR (roads) / world leading 2M time 9:35 / 30:50 AR (track) --- four in a row
Suzy Hamilton: all this in a *one* week period: 3:59.40 (2nd Berlin) / 3:59.43 (1st Rieti) / 4:01.08 (2nd GP Final)
Those are all fine performances, but missing from all of them is a 10k to add with those 5ks.
There has never been an American in history to run three races in a row at this level. Give him credit where credit is due.
Better Analysis wrote:irrelevant
what matters at this point is can solinsky show up on one day over the next 4-8 years and bring home a medal, which is something kennedy was never able to do
Why does a medal matter? Very few individuals will ever medal in a major athletic event. Those that don't get medals aren't any less outstanding (except to the pimple-popping crowd)
some stats wrote:
Whoops I accidentally put 1994 on there instead of 1996, but yes, it's crazy people forget about Kennedy's awesome 1996 season. One could say it's criminal. :) I'd have to check but I think Krummenacker's 02 season where he ran 3:31 and 1:43 in the same week might qualify as well.
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Don't bother. You're trying to compare tangerines to oranges. Krummenacker has never run a 10k.
You need to write more clearly. You said nothing about the need to have a 10k with 2 5ks in your original post. Those performances listed are not just "fine", but AMAZING. And I am not being negative about Solinsky's performances AT ALL, I think his first two races are awesome, and his third solid (but not incredible). This is not taking anything away from him, just being even-keeled about his races and firmly keeping in mind the previous history of US athletes in track. Let's try to give credit to the past!
malmo wrote:
Why does a medal matter? Very few individuals will ever medal in a major athletic event. Those that don't get medals aren't any less outstanding (except to the pimple-popping crowd)
what does a medal matter?
you dont feel webbs career (thus far) is diminished at all by his poor international championship showings?
solinskys shown he can run fast time trials, now he needs to show he can race with the best when it counts...unless he can really drop the ARs out of reach or break a WR, a medal in an international championship is really the only thing of note left to accomplish
sure running prs will be nice...but hes already got fast prs
simply stringing together a string of solid races isnt the goal pales in comparison to running well at olympics or world championships