Not considering the Ivys cause they suck at xc) D3 schools are better academically than D1 towards the top. Carnegie Mellon, Chicago, Wash U, Emory, NYU, Brandeis,etc..etc...are all better than the best D1 schools. BUT once, you eliminate those, the big state schools are better than the sh!tty d3 small schools.
Name the year Princeton could have easily won D3 XC.
2009 Princeton women.
Iceburg theory wrote:
alshaw wrote:So what point is being proven? That on Monday, when the NCAA D1 finals were whack and a lot of teams ran horribly Adams State could have contended for a top 5? Maybe? That's great. Really. Good job. They are a good team, the best in D2. Good for them. I know my goal was never to be a D2 champ tho, it's to see how high I can finish in D1 competition because saying you were 10th in D1 is better than saying you've won D2. You are more likely to be better in competition relative to everyone if you compete in D1 instead of D2 as well.
I'm not saying Adams State doesn't deserve any credit but it is ridiculous to think they're team's hypothetical race on Monday would have competed for a top 5 when so many top programs had bad races. Who's to say Adams State wouldn't have run worse?
All in all, I do not think they should really be compared until they are in D1. But good job on being the best D2 team Adams State
I love how you can tell who a slow runner is just by their tone presented in their arguments.
I love how you assume that I'm slow. Generally letsrun posters are slow. But my tone was reflecting emotion towards a situation, not running times, which you would be wrong to assume are slow, even tho it is all relatively speaking.
Most d2 acedemics are pretty embarassing, with the exception of the third place team Colorado School of Mines, freakin hard engineering school
You aren't able to call yourself a top ten D1 because you weren't even in the race. Maybe if you were D2 you could at least qualify. Mid pack D1 runners always think they can win D2. All I have to say is this: Those D2 runners just competed at a national competition while you sat at home. I have ran both divisions due to academic transfers.
Oh and for academics, besides Ivy League and a handful of other schools, I would say DIII and maybe even those private NAIA schools are the best.
Daddy Nationals wrote:
And I would put even money on the Washington women or the Villanova women beating your team over 6k or even 8k in xc!
Hey great! Put your money where your mouth is! How much money are you willing to put on this, that Washington or Villanova could beat my D3 team?
Back on topic: No. Definitely not this year. But in certain years, yes ASC definitely could win.
However, Adams State beat CU a few years back at CU's home meet with all runners finishing for both teams. CU went on to win the national title.
People laugh at D2 runners until the spring, when the Adams State guys all run sub-29 5Ks. They generally have at least one or two guys in the low 28's for 5K, and had a guy break 28 and run 27:58 a few years ago too, I believe.
I am a D2 runner that runs against Adams a lot. And their performance was phenomenal. They would have at least been top 3, but I don't know if they would have beaten OSU. Just so you know, their school record in the 10k is 28:02 by Celedonio Rodregez (spelling?) (I may be wrong with the name, but the time is close, maybe 28:03, but not under 28). There has only one guy ever in D2 to go under 28 and that was Scott Baughs (spelling?) in 27:48. Most of their guys focused on the 5k this last spring so not many 10k were run on the track by the Adams boys, but they did put up some impressive 5k times, which indicate the talent that they have.
You're fairly exemplary of the intelligence of D2 athletes.
I have a question, how come D2 studs are such monumental flops as pros? For every Briney or Bauhs (though the latter absolutely crapped the bed at World Half Champs this fall) there are dozens of standout Western and Adams runners who never progress much beyond how they did in college. Rodriguez, Aish, Martinez, Eberly, Siemers, etc.??
I find it interesting how in any topic about d2 there is always some d1 runners that need to try and prove how they're superior to d2 simply because they're schools are bigger names. In terms of academics the way I see it is that it's not what the school offers you but what how seriously each student takes it. You can't place any of the schools into clear groups based on division. I know plenty of terrible students who have gone onto to compete at the d1 level. But if you d1 guys need to rely on false superiority over d2 and d3 in order to feel ok with your choice of university then go right ahead.
But on the topic I think that Adams state could've been in the top 5. They are a fast team with guys who have track pr's that many other schools having trouble matching. It's possible.
I wonder why Adams doesn't get cut up for having so many foreigners? They had as many as Oklahoma State. Their top runner and three of the top five were internationals. Oklahoma State's top two were Americans and three of their top five. For all the grief that Smith took for his internationals the criticism doesn't seem to filter down to all top programs. Props to Oklahoma St. again for their title and for doing it the right way.
I agree completely, I had respect for Adams State when they did it solely with U.S. runners, most of them from in-state even. Western and ACU were the programs that had to stoop to bringing in foreign ringers to go after Adams State. Now ASC is just another mercenary program. Sad.
kade2207 wrote:
I wonder why Adams doesn't get cut up for having so many foreigners? They had as many as Oklahoma State. Their top runner and three of the top five were internationals. Oklahoma State's top two were Americans and three of their top five. For all the grief that Smith took for his internationals the criticism doesn't seem to filter down to all top programs. Props to Oklahoma St. again for their title and for doing it the right way.
Why are you gettin on a running thread, and assuming I wasn't in the race? Or assuming someone posting is slow? Chances are I would beat you. And I was actually referring to being on a top 10 team, not top 10 indivudual. But team or individual, you owe a little more respect than you are giving. I was in the race fag
Iceburg theory wrote:
You aren't able to call yourself a top ten D1 because you weren't even in the race. Maybe if you were D2 you could at least qualify. Mid pack D1 runners always think they can win D2. All I have to say is this: Those D2 runners just competed at a national competition while you sat at home. I have ran both divisions due to academic transfers.
Oh and for academics, besides Ivy League and a handful of other schools, I would say DIII and maybe even those private NAIA schools are the best.
As someone who just went through the application process...
Of the D3 schools I applied to the acceptance rate was generally around 60%.
As far as state schools (IU, Ball state, ect) they were higher but not staggeringly so.
As far as running, there's no doubt I couldn't have run at top D1 schools, (my track PR's were 4:31, and 9:50). But I now find myself at a highly respected D3 school being pushed academically as well as athletically. My teammates and I understand academics are were our priorities lie and so does our coach, but that in no way lessens how hard we work.
What I'm getting at is that I'm sure NCAA athletes are working hard at ALL three levels. Stop trashing their schools, maybe they couldn't afford a D3 school, but are excelling under a scholarship in a D2 institution.
Who are you to judge them?
I find it interesting how in any topic about d2 there is always some d1 runners that need to try and prove how they're superior to d2 simply because they're schools are bigger names.
midwaste: Maybe you just like being trolled but to make sure you're aware, you're jumping all over someone for correcting the bolded word above, which is indeed incorrect use of that term. "They are schools are bigger names" makes no sense. If you knew that and chose to act like the opposite is true just to fill some idle time then please ignore this post.
How about on the men's side?