When did Matt Grosse, as a UW Oshkosh Titan, run 3:45.73?

Max, give it up. There's absolutely no point to you bitching about that on messageboards. And the attacks on Zup have no substance - he's a great guy and a great coach. It's hard to watch you embarrass yourself like that, get over it. It's just a school record, there are far more important things you could spend your time dwelling on.

I wonder if your record were expunged if you all would feel the same way as Max. From a neutral observer, he has a point.

Max, just relax man

Max, are you just angry the Badgers did not respect you when you where in your car running up Nakoma hill? I remember Jerry telling us to stay away from you because he did not want to have to deal with your issues. Matt Grosse is a great guy and an absolute stud runner.

You guys better recognize! Max won US Nationals in the 8k in 22:55!

haha boy you walked into that one.

I was just thinking... as the kids finish up their tball tournament, that Billy's 2nd homerun last saturday wasn't officially in the scorekeeping. Should he be 2nd in homeruns to that boy from '87? Just wondering, see you all at the pizza party!

Max,

Please go back to dyestat and continue insulting 16 year old kids. If you haven't figured it out already somebody whom split 3:45 would have run 3:43 or so in a race where they would have kicked earlier. Your a nationwide joke due to your antics and if you have alienated zup its for good reason. Go back to being the town drunk where ever you are and stay away from the internet.

marijuologist wrote:

Is Groose originally from Canada?

Watertown, WI

Give it up. Groose was a better middle distance runner than you were and also not a huge douche bag. Dude, you're 45 years old. Let it go. The fact you've been talking about what all these college kids were doing makes me feel kind of sad for you.

[quote]Chumley wrote:

I predict that, as a result of this message board thread, the track community will rise up and compel UW-O to completely reexamine their record books, and anybody who has been unfairly written out will be written back in. That's almost certain to happen.

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this is not totally surprising. as an amateur stats guy, I have looked at the websites of alot of schools and their school records and top 10 lists. you would be shocked at the number of brain-dead schools who have wiped out times from the 70s and before that were in yards and not the metric distances, like they never existed; instead of converting them.

Please, for the love of god just put max's record back up on the wall and in the recordbooks. Who cares of if it is inferior to what Grosse ran, anything to shut up a 44 year old that acts like a 6 year old.

Oh wait screw it!!! I find it exciting to hear Max bitch and moan about his record being broken on a message board. What a little biatch.

Put Maxs Name Back wrote:

Please, for the love of god just put max's record back up on the wall and in the recordbooks. Who cares of if it is inferior to what Grosse ran, anything to shut up a 44 year old that acts like a 6 year old.

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Don't be a dilweed. If the older, yards time is faster than the later metric time (via conversion), then it should be on their board ahead of the later time. You can't see that? If it's not, than it shouldn't be, but shouldn't be 'gone' as if it never happened. It is really very simple. Via the conversion charts, the answer is 'right there'.

I Dont know if you guys know this but Max was not taking off any top ten list. He is still NUMBER TWO!His time is still there he is just a little bitch and cant understand that Matt ran faster. The thing I find funny about this is that Matt or any of the guys who have ever ran at Oshkosh could give two sh!t$!!!

I wish Max would also admit to the bullshit emails and voice mails he has sent Zup, that are filled with f-bombs and threats.

Max GIVE IT UP, Go to Berlin High and look up in the gym and see your name on the Wall you arrogant prick!!!

Now we are getting to it. He did so well at Berlin High and then well at Oshkosh that he cannot relinguish any grandeur that went along with that.

also the problems with Stellas and the furniture store and the Coliseum, bla bla bla. Life is rough there is no doubt and we all get old. It is hard to accept it. Good luck though.

I've been hearing these "what ifs" for 26 years... and the record stands. Tell Willy Kaul that if he wants to break the record, all he has to do is run an official 1500m under 3:47.88. Sometimes if you want to do something, you have to focus.

Thanks for the link. This is the first time I've seen this. I appreciate it.

This is sad. I think that national governing bodies, such as the NCAA and WIAA, should have rules about how records are kept and posted by individual schools.

I would especially like to give thanks to all the idiots who like to get all riled up whenever I bring this up. You guys are so predictable. My favorites are the guys who I've beaten, who could never catch me and try to call me names, even though names don't hurt me; the insecure ex-Badgers, who have always been afraid of me; and the insecure ex UW Oshkosh Titans, who have also always been afraid of me. I wonder... how many of you have ever had a record, or even won a race?

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Do you really think that the coach hand-timing his 1500 split was off by two seconds from what he would've been FAT? If your record was 3:45.74 and the coach hand-times a 3:45.73 and takes you off the record board, you would have a legitimate beef. Groose ran soundly faster than you. It happens. Somebody better than you was going to come along eventually. And Groose was, without question, better than you.

Max, I think you have a lot of talent and why don't you just go out and race some of the local races. It would be fun man and healthy for you. Seriously man, you are good, just race.

If no one has raced a 1500 meter race faster, why shouldn't Max have the record. Seems as though the 1500 would be much more prevalent than the mile.

mr harn may have a point wrote:

If no one has raced a 1500 meter race faster, why shouldn't Max have the record. Seems as though the 1500 would be much more prevalent than the mile.

You cannot be serious. You cannot just act as if a superior time (be it a mile race for example)by wiped from the books because it wasn't a 1500m. For example: Runner A runs a 3:48.8 in 2008. Runner B (same school) runs a 4:05.6 mile in 1979. Runner B's mile converts to a 3:47.8 and Runner B would have the school record. Case closed.