When did Matt Grosse, as a UW Oshkosh Titan, run 3:45.73?

Matt ran 3:45.73 at the Drake Relays on April 26, 2003.

I just looked again, and I think it was a mile that he ran and he ran 4:03.77, so he didn't really run 3:45.73, it was converted from 4:03.77.

http://www.raceberryjam.com/archives/NCODMP03.HTM#5

I think it is to get a certain somebody out of the record books.

Groose...not "Grosse"

Max, it's been awhile. Can you tell your story? And the background to the point you are trying to make?

I predict that, as a result of this message board thread, the track community will rise up and compel UW-O to completely reexamine their record books, and anybody who has been unfairly written out will be written back in. That's almost certain to happen.

(Great segue, BTW. Everybody knows that wherever masters track athletes compete, school records get thrust under the microscope.)

Chumley wrote:(Great segue, BTW. Everybody knows that wherever masters track athletes compete, school records get thrust under the microscope.)

That's hilarious. And here I thought this was just some random thread started by a casual onlooker with no stake in the answer to the question!

Get a f***ing life Max Harn. If Willy Kaul would have focused on the 1500 this year you would be third on the all-time list. You are a loser and a child

So we don't have to go into this again, here is a good thread that details the controversy.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1486484&page=2

Oh please max!! You are still angry enough to bring this up?? Get a life you old disgruntled turd.

Chuck Harkrider wrote:

Oh please max!! You are still angry enough to bring this up?? Get a life you old disgruntled turd.

Loving the personal attacks. Good stuff. I hope that's really Max out there stirring the pot.

Groose's 1500 record was en route to a mile. There probably should be two records. But Max Harn is such an idiot, thus, his record is gone.

After reading some of the other thread, the OP is a mental case. I've seen a lot of crazy, bitter, obsessive types on these threads, but he may take the cake.

If it was timed en route officially by Drake (often done) then it can be a real record... there's a whole ton of precedent here. I think once at Pre the mile record and 1500 record (en route) were set by two different people...

Personality doesn't have anything to do with the fact that my 26 year old 1500m record of 3:47.88 has never been legitimately broken.

How many of you who've replied have had an old disgruntled coach casually erase one of your records?

In this case, the only thing I did was run 3:47.88. Almost 20 years later, Bruce Coleman and Jon Zupanc decided to give the 1500m record away. What's more f-d up?

I think it's great that runners are still chasing my record, but the fact still remains that nobody at UW Oshkosh has run an official, legit 1500m faster than 3:47.88

We're all guilty of having our emotions carry us away- me, Coleman, and Zupanc. Zupanc has the upper hand because he's still the coach. The only fact I have going for me is having run 3:47.88 at the 1983 NCAA Div III meet.

I'm still trying to figure out how to say 3:47.88 a few more times.

jeez man, you're in your 40's and you still haven't chilled out? It's not that big of a deal, it's awesome that you ran 3:47...but that's in the past. I dunno if Groose legitimately broke your record or not (I think en route should count) but records are for chasing, not for bitching about when they're broken (or even if they're illegitimately changed). Shouldn't you be passed this stage at what, 48?

You ran a great time and it stood a long time. But what part of 3:45 do you not get? If it was timed officially enroute, it was faster. Records are made to be broken and he ran 1500m timed faster than you did. You got beaten by a great d3 runner. That's a distinction.

Primo Tiempo wrote:

I dunno if Groose legitimately broke your record or not (I think en route should count) but records are for chasing, not for bitching about when they're broken (or even if they're illegitimately changed). Shouldn't you be passed this stage at what, 48?

"en route" counts when it's officially timed. It doesn't count if it's casually timed by a coach. Matt's "record" was casually timed, not officially timed.

I'm not 48 yet. I'm not going to be 48 for another three and a half years!

jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

You ran a great time and it stood a long time. But what part of 3:45 do you not get? If it was timed officially enroute, it was faster. Records are made to be broken and he ran 1500m timed faster than you did. You got beaten by a great d3 runner. That's a distinction.

Thanks for the compliment, but what part of "unofficial, casual time" do you not get? I agree that records are only officially broken when they're officially timed.

I challenge any of you to give Zupanc a phone call, or send him an email, and ask him why he disrespects me. If he says he doesn't disrespect me, then ask him why he refuses to post the legitimate 1500m record.

In the old days, when on the wall inside Kolf there was only room for a certain number of records... wait a secons. The wall inside Kolf is huge. They could list every obscure record, every english record, every metric record, and still have acres of wall left over. As for listing two records on the website- this is only a few keystrokes for the athletic department. Or can someone give me another reason why they can't list the 1500m record AND the mile record?

Is Groose originally from Canada?