• wejo
      co-founder
      • AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 3:17PM
      • wejo
        co-founder
      • Rojo just received a call saying that AJ Acosta is in the 1500m final.

        Acosta originally missed the final by 3/1000ths of a second. But our very own Rojo posted in this thread:
        https://www.letsrun.com/forum/f...ad=2527037

        that there is an NCAA rule saying if there is space on the track athletes timed to the same 100th of a second should all advance to the final.

        "Tie for Last Qualifying Position
        ARTICLE 8. In the event of a tie for the last qualifying place for a
        subsequent race, and assuming positions on the track are available, the tying
        runners all shall qualify. If enough lanes are not available, the position(s)
        shall be determined by reading the phototiming devices to the 1/1,000th of a
        second or lesser fraction, whenever possible, and then by a runoff or drawn
        by lot, based on a decision before the meet by the games committee."

        Apparently, the meet was not even aware of this rule based on their initially ruling but now AJ is in the finals after Giles Norton of Finishlynx saw Rojo's post.

        Here's the Oregon release on AJ NOT making the finals:
        http://www.goducks.com/ViewArt...OEM_ID=500
    • buckele
    • Mr Arms
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 3:27PM - in reply to wejo
      • Mr Arms
      • Ha! Thats a thread title I never thought I'd see.....

        irony ftw...
    • WTF man
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 3:28PM - in reply to buckele
      • WTF man
      • Yes, because three more people on the track suddenly makes the final "crowded"
    • haha, YO
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 3:32PM - in reply to WTF man
      • haha, YO
      • WTF man wrote:
        Yes, because three more people on the track suddenly makes the final "crowded"
        Said someone who has never run an elite 1500.
    • almost, but not quite elite
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 3:38PM - in reply to haha, YO
      • almost, but not quite elite
      • haha, YO wrote:
        WTF man wrote:
        Yes, because three more people on the track suddenly makes the final "crowded"
        Said someone who has never run an elite 1500.

        Said someone who for some reason counts NCAA races as elite.
    • Get a grip
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 5:26PM - in reply to just saying
      • Get a grip
      • just saying wrote:
        i think he mostly meant in a championship setting where the pace will be slow and the field all grouped together.
        Anyone who ever ran at Penn Relays back in the day is laughing at these posts - the old COA races for DM, 4x1500 and 4x800 had at least 20 teams in them.

        If these guys are worried about a crowd they just need to strap on a pair and run.
    • Giles Norton
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 5:47PM - in reply to wejo
      • Giles Norton
      • In many bureaucratic organizations getting a decision corrected can be like stopping a supertanker, but I think the NCAA deserves considerable credit for responding so quickly when it was brought to their attention.

        (And FWIW - It was ME that was unaware of the Rule - not the NCAA! I had forgotten the discussion I had with RoJo at Heps.)

        Honestly, this happens really rarely - that there is a tie to 1/100th in a non-laned race for the LAST qualifying position - that it just went un-noticed.

        Giles
    • The_Big_Mazungo
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 5:50PM - in reply to wejo
      • The_Big_Mazungo
      • Yay now Jager can crush him again!
    • amazing.
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 5:52PM - in reply to Giles Norton
      • amazing.
      • I find this fascinat:

        I can't believe that one of the great coaches (or if you dont think Lannana is a good coach, then one of the great managers of his athletes) in the country didn't catch this critical mistake.

        Obviously is doesn't happen often, so it's a rule that wouldn't be used much. But when do AJ, Vin, and Phil Knight come on letsrun.com so say thank you to ROJO?
    • 26mi235
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 6:06PM - in reply to Get a grip
      • 26mi235
      • Championship races are different. The runners are more even in ability and the nature of the racing is different. Furthermore, the results are of more consequence.


        Get a grip wrote:
        just saying wrote:
        i think he mostly meant in a championship setting where the pace will be slow and the field all grouped together.
        Anyone who ever ran at Penn Relays back in the day is laughing at these posts - the old COA races for DM, 4x1500 and 4x800 had at least 20 teams in them.

        If these guys are worried about a crowd they just need to strap on a pair and run.
    • DaveW
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 6:21PM - in reply to wejo
      • DaveW
      • If it's an NCAA rule then why is thanks needed to Lets ask for approval?
    • Rules Suck
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 6:23PM - in reply to 26mi235
      • Rules Suck
      • If the camera's can go to thousandth then let them go to the thousandth. He really was the 13th best according to the camera. Why allow someone less deserving into the final. Are they going to give out 2 golds if they are tied at the hundredth, I hope not. We don't live in ancient times anymore they are capable of picking winners and losers.
    • amazing.
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 6:24PM - in reply to DaveW
      • amazing.
      • DaveW wrote:
        If it's an NCAA rule then why is thanks needed to Lets ask for approval?
        Is that to me? If so, my answer: Because without rojo's knowledge of the rulebook Acosta would not be in the final. Okay- maybe somebody else might have caught it, but they didn't.
    • kind of feel bad for the kid
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 6:49PM - in reply to wejo
      • kind of feel bad for the kid
      • wejo wrote:
        Rojo just received a call saying that AJ Acosta is in the 1500m final.

        Acosta originally missed the final by 3/1000ths of a second. But our very own Rojo posted in this thread:
        https://www.letsrun.com/forum/f...ad=2527037

        that there is an NCAA rule saying if there is space on the track athletes timed to the same 100th of a second should all advance to the final.

        "Tie for Last Qualifying Position
        ARTICLE 8. In the event of a tie for the last qualifying place for a
        subsequent race, and assuming positions on the track are available, the tying
        runners all shall qualify. If enough lanes are not available, the position(s)
        shall be determined by reading the phototiming devices to the 1/1,000th of a
        second or lesser fraction, whenever possible, and then by a runoff or drawn
        by lot, based on a decision before the meet by the games committee."

        Apparently, the meet was not even aware of this rule based on their initially ruling but now AJ is in the finals after Giles Norton of Finishlynx saw Rojo's post.

        Here's the Oregon release on AJ NOT making the finals:
        http://www.goducks.com/ViewArt...OEM_ID=500
        So I guess AJ can thank me for making the thread then. Tell him to meet me in Boulder with a check.
    • A Voice of Reason (maybe)
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 6:50PM - in reply to Rules Suck
      • A Voice of Reason (maybe)
      • Rules Suck wrote:
        If the camera's can go to thousandth then let them go to the thousandth. He really was the 13th best according to the camera. Why allow someone less deserving into the final. Are they going to give out 2 golds if they are tied at the hundredth, I hope not. We don't live in ancient times anymore they are capable of picking winners and losers.
        By your logic, we could just skip finals and create a final based purely on PRs, which would put AJ in the final anyway.
    • Sickness
      • RE: AJ Acosta in the 1500M Final Thanks to LetsRun.com 6/13/2008 7:10PM - in reply to Rules Suck
      • Sickness
      • I dont think you should waste your time in the NCAA with the 1/100th vs 1/1000th argument. Take it to the IAAF. Why are 100m sprinters still measured in 100ths???