Its not like any other countries celebrate the 4th of July. Is it just another reason to get drunk like St. Patrick's day?
Its not like any other countries celebrate the 4th of July. Is it just another reason to get drunk like St. Patrick's day?
It's an excuse to drink hard and party like idiots, nothing more.
Hell, how many non-Christians celebrate Christmas? People will celebrate anything as a reason to drink or get presents.
Why do you ask dumb questions then provide the obvious answer?
Yeah, I was just gonna say, it's an excuse to get plastered. Not that we don't have other excuses, but this an excuse to get plastered WITH LIMES
Oh yeah? wrote:
Why do you ask dumb questions then provide the obvious answer?
Just curious if there were any other answers. With immigration being such a hot topic, I thought most Americans would be anti-Cinco.
Why do you ask dumb questions then provide the obvious answer?
You are not as perceptive as you think and it was not I who started the thread.
iflyboats wrote:
You are not as perceptive as you think and it was not I who started the thread.
You are not as perceptive as YOU think. He wasn't talking to you.
question for the board, without looking looking at wikipedia or googling...how many people know what cinco de mayo celebrates, and it's independence as might have been suggested by the 4th of july allusion from petey pablo
petey pablo wrote:
Its not like any other countries celebrate the 4th of July. Is it just another reason to get drunk like St. Patrick's day?
petey pablo wrote:
Just curious if there were any other answers. With immigration being such a hot topic, I thought most Americans would be anti-Cinco.
I've never heard of anyone being anti-immigration, have you?
petey pablo wrote:
Its not like any other countries celebrate the 4th of July. Is it just another reason to get drunk like St. Patrick's day?
For one, Cinco de Mayo is primarily a cultural celebration OUTSIDE of Mexico. It isn't a Mexican holiday at all! Cinco de Mayo originated in California.
It's an independence day celebration, but not their main one. The 5th was when they obtained their independence from France. They recognize it, but celebrate another one like we celebrate the 4th... For the life of me I do not remember what the date is. Vague post, sorry.
petey pablo wrote:
Its not like any other countries celebrate the 4th of July. Is it just another reason to get drunk like St. Patrick's day?
Because Americans invented Cino de Mayo, thats' why!
Mexiconer wrote:
It's an independence day celebration, but not their main one. The 5th was when they obtained their independence from France. They recognize it, but celebrate another one like we celebrate the 4th... For the life of me I do not remember what the date is. Vague post, sorry.
No, Independence Day in Mexico is in September. I forget which day.
Isn't it the 16th of September? May 5 celebrates some war or battle victory I think, but mostly it celebrates cerveza.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
Isn't it the 16th of September? May 5 celebrates some war or battle victory I think, but mostly it celebrates cerveza.
pretty close txRUNNERgirl
5 de mayo celebrates the Mexican victory at the Battle of Puebla over Napoleon's French forces--take that Little Guy!
and Mexican Independence is celebrated over night on September 15th continuing through to the 16th.
everybody in Mexico wonders why American's celebrate it since they don't, then they remember, tequila, oh yeah!
petey pablo wrote:
Oh yeah? wrote:Why do you ask dumb questions then provide the obvious answer?
Just curious if there were any other answers. With immigration being such a hot topic, I thought most Americans would be anti-Cinco.
immigration is not a hot topic. ILLEGAL-immigration is the hot topic.
I am just as against brits illegally coming to this country as I am mexicans.
Clever marketing campaign by Grupo Modelo.
The 5th of May is not Mexican Independence Day, but it should be! And Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday, but it should be. Mexico declared its independence from mother Spain on midnight, the 15th of September, 1810. And it took 11 years before the first Spanish soldiers were told and forced to leave Mexico.
So, why Cinco de Mayo? And why should Americans savor this day as well? Because 4,000 Mexican soldiers smashed the French and traitor Mexican army of 8,000 at Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of Mexico City on the morning of May 5, 1862.
The French had landed in Mexico (along with Spanish and English troops) five months earlier on the pretext of collecting Mexican debts from the newly elected government of democratic President (and Indian) Benito Juarez. The English and Spanish quickly made deals and left. The French, however, had different ideas.
Under Emperor Napoleon III, who detested the United States, the French came to stay. They brought a Hapsburg prince with them to rule the new Mexican empire. His name was Maximilian; his wife, Carolota. Napoleon's French Army had not been defeated in 50 years, and it invaded Mexico with the finest modern equipment and with a newly reconstituted Foreign Legion. The French were not afraid of anyone, especially since the United States was embroiled in its own Civil War.
The French Army left the port of Vera Cruz to attack Mexico City to the west, as the French assumed that the Mexicans would give up should their capital fall to the enemy -- as European countries traditionally did.
Under the command of Texas-born General Zaragosa, (and the cavalry under the command of Colonel Porfirio Diaz, later to be Mexico's president and dictator), the Mexicans awaited. Brightly dressed French Dragoons led the enemy columns. The Mexican Army was less stylish.
General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his cavalry, the best in the world, out to the French flanks. In response, the French did a most stupid thing; they sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz and his men, who proceeded to butcher them. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders through sloppy mud from a thunderstorm and through hundreds of head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed only with machetes.
When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.
Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.
It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows?
In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces. As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.
Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are, and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!
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Apparently many of you historians do not know what you are talking about.
I doubt that it was the OP's intent, but immigration (nit just illegal but overall) caps are becoming a large groundswell in the US as the country's resources are stretched thinner and thinner. Many think that the US should adopt the ideas of Australia and some European countries in regards to capping immigration overall.