Wisconsin at the Griak

dude, don't be an asshole. Everyone knows WIS is at least a top 5 team, you know it too. Don't act like they are effecting another team's bid, WIS will qualify if they run the rest of the meets before nats on their hands and knees. Stop looking for things to whine about.

eligibility scam?

you're a moron.

national rankings don't mean anything.

WI concerned with winning at nationals, not at Griak. Who cares about these smaller meets, there's only one meet that really counts.

I don't see your point: if they had two guys who could have scored, but dropped out, then THEY DIDN'T SCORE. That is reflected in UW's finish and in the rankings that are based on that finish. If you're talking about PREDICTIONS and polls, I can see your point, but who believes those anyway?

They(smaller meets) do count because of the stupid system that is in place now which counts points from beating ranked teams. In 2004 this problem will be remedied. Stanford also did the same thing by running a "split" meet of 4k and 8k,and then running Ian Dobson unattached, and leaving out Luchini etc. Oh the games that coaches play, as if no one out there knows what they are doing.

I agree. The stupid rules that are in place are bizare. As far as I was to understand this week was the first week to count for at large points. Wis. have always done things there own way, and it does seem to work, but it seems that the season is so short that a race at this point would have done no harm. Why bother sending the team if that is what you are going to do, it devalues the meet and is odviously done to prove some point ( what I'm not sure). Why not just run a time trial at home you are not gaining much by running 4K of an 8K at 8K pace.

In order for a team to get a point from beating a team, a certain % of the same guys that ran the day they beat them must be on the team that ran districts. So those that beat UW may not actually get points for doing so. Same with New Mexico beating Stanford's split squad. That could have been a reason in running Dobson unattached.

you're an idiot if you think the system is based upon beating ranked teams. Its based upon beating teams that make it out of there regions.

You may now be dubbed Idiot2. In order for alot of these teams to make it to nationals, they must score points during THE REGULAR SEASON. They do this by beating ranked teams at big or "small" meets. "Ranked" as in, the weekly poll. So in effect the system is based on beating the teams in the top 30 to get points BEFORE the region meet, just in case a team isn't one of the top two in it's respective region after the results are tallied.

The team must have at least 4 runners from that meet that will also run at districts in order to "count".

So if Wisco runs at least 4 people at Districts that also ran at the Griak (and Wisco is top 2 at districts), then the teams that beat Wisco at Griak will score at-large points.

-Clay

Wisconsin doesn't need to worry about at-large points. They will block the teams that might have beat them at Griak at Regionals. They will be top 2 at Regions. If there studs weren't ready to race, why should they? They will be top 3 at Nationals if healthy. If not win it.

They don't just have to be in the top two in order to provide points for a team. If a team beats a team in third that is ranked in any place during the regular season, they get a point also, and so forth, and so forth.

Works Like This Pay attention.

The system has nothing to do with beating teams that are ranked in the regular season. It has to do with beating teams in the regular season that end up getting first or second at their region and also then beating teams that subsequently get in as at-larges. If you beat a team at some meet like griak ranked 15th at the time and they get qualify for nationals then you don't get any points. Beating a ranked team in the regular season only has any significance since its most likely they will be the teams vying for the auto and at-large bids to nationals. The fact that they are ranked gets you a handshake and nothing else.

Say you got to DUMBasU and you beat Providence(ranked), Iona(ranked), Texas(unranked), and New Mexico(ranked) at some meet. If Providence and Iona then at the region meet go 1,2 in the Northeast then you get two points. Then say New Mexico gets 4th in their region and they have more at large points then you because they beat more auto qualifiers then they would get into the meet before DUMBasU because they have more points, but once they are in then they count as a point for you so now you have 3 points. Say Texas gets second in the South Central, even though they weren't ranked at the time you beat them, you get a point because they are an auto qualifier regardless of their ranking.

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I think all these replys prove the point. We have a dozen replys and a dozen different answers. It just shows how out of touch the NCAA was when they set this system. It creats the situation that teams have to fly to meets in order to get points. i.e. EMU they ran griak when if they had not wanted to race and get at large points would have more than likely ran the Central collegiates and won a tiltle.