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Are there any decent teams in the Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky area?

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D2, pr is about a 17:20 and I still finish in the top half of most of my races running in the 28's for the 8k, top 5 on the team. There are plenty of schools for you and I dont think you would be close to the bottom 10% for most d1 schools considering we beat alot of crappy d1 schools.

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Look at the crappy conferences (running wise)

Atlantic Sun

Big XII

Big South

CAA

Horizon

Landmark Conference

Mid-Eastern

Northcoast Conference

Northeast

Patriot

Southern

Sun Belt

Hey you do some research i run for the patriot league and could burn the crap outa you in my respective event. We had 4 guys at regionals in the 800 and two all americans.

You better find a school with an enormous roster or a coach that is willing to help you out on the side. Otherwise you probably are screwed. I went to a crappy D1 school(2 fast Kenyans and then slow white boys) for academics over running with a 16:36 and the coach won't even consider me trying out. Run like hell this winter and get some good track times.

I'd say go D3 - the running experience will be better. I was a 5:38 miler, 19:39 5k, 2:13 800m runner out of high school. Ended up with a 4:17 mile my senior year. The stress will not be as great as it would in D1; more people running at your level. You are worlds better than I was at your age. Do what makes YOU happy.

I ran 15:48 for 5,000 in high school, and while I could have run DI, I chose DIII. At All-Ohio I beat LOTS of DI runners, but granted I was not a 17:20 guy, I was a 15:48 guy who later became a 14:58 guy.

I guess it just matters how much you think you can improve and what you want out of running.

You improve a bit and you could be helpful to a DIII team. You'd have to improve a lot to be helpful to a DI team. Maybe though you just want the personal challenge of running with people who are better than you (and that's what you'd have at DI). That's fine. Just need to decide what you'd rather have. Lots of decent runners decide to run DIII because they want to be the big fish in a small pond. I ran DIII because I wanted to put adacemics first.

dont go to fsu...... 1:54 is the 800 walk on time, 1:51 for scholarship. i had obvious signs of improvement with no celining in site and they still snubbed their nose at me with a 16:40/4:32/1:59. i guess they dont like training runners to compete for just a year or so.

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Hey you do some research i run for the patriot league and could burn the crap outa you in my respective event. We had 4 guys at regionals in the 800 and two all americans.

He said look at the bottom schools. The conference results speak for themselves:

37 guys over 28 minutes for 8k. I see no reason why a 17:20 guy couldn't be running varsity at one of those crappier programs by the time he's a sophomore.

I'm sure you're fast but you have to admit that your conference is no SEC, PAC-10, Big Ten, etc.

There are a good amount of schools that will take you with a 17:20. My personal story is that I was a 17:34 runner after my senior year of cross. The coach at my school told me I had a spot on the roster but obviously no money, which was fine by me. When I got to school I worked hard everyday, and became a top 5 guy in XC for them.

Im now a sophmore and just ran 16:18 for the 5000 indoors. Most coaches will recgognize that a 17:20ish guy has a lot of development left in them. Don't expect the first year to be easy, youll probably get smoked a few times, esp. in track races, but eventually it will pay off.

The conference I run (Northeast) has a pretty big range of guys competing in it. You need to be sub 26:30 to be all conference, and 28:00 will put you right in the middle. Usually the slowest guys run around 30-31 minutes.

There are D1 schools who have slow distance runners. I will give you an example. I go to a certain D1 school who shall remain nameless. (we were 6th in the BCS ranks earlier in the season, and then lost 5 straight games at the end of the season. mascot rhymes with samecocks). We are a D1 SEC school and we dont have any distance guys breaking 15. I am a 17:15 5k guy from HS and I ran with the team for a little while with the intention of trying out the following year, but ended up stopping because of my distaste for the god awful distance coach they have here and scheduling conflicts with work/class. However, had I stayed I would more than likely have been on the team. I base this off the fact that a friend of mine is on the team now, he was a few ticks faster than me in HS and we were the same fitness when I ran with the team. moral of the story, some D1 schools have crappy runners.

I don't want to say that you don't have a shot but you need to find the right coach. A school like Colorado State takes everyone who wants to walk-on and gives them a shot. The varsity squad goes to all the good meets while the rest only do a couple in the area. You never know with the right amount of training and success when you will get a chance.

Ok, Those results are misleading. The conditions were brutal.

At the same time, I can assure you that your 1720 will most likely get you on the teams of the bottom 4 teams at that meet. Now, you will probably be at or very near the bottom, but thats another story.

And obviously American and Navy are much better than everyone else in the conference.

Check out some MAC schools. Akron, Bowling Green, Toledo.

Why not run JUCO and then plan to transfer in two years when you're actually ready to run Div. 1?

You still need to develop. Log some serious miles.

On my d-3 team, you´d be number 12.

I would not recommend going to a JC. The funding is going to suck super bad, and the atmosphere at a JC can be really depressing. However, if you were already considering a JC for financial reasons or whatever, you could find a JC with a good coach where you can develop, and then shoot for some money or athletic tag to a good school when you transfer.

I just want to point out that just choosing a school with a crappy program is not a good solution. There are always reasons why some programs suck, and you'll have to do some research to find out why. What I assume you want to find is a program that has a good coach but just doesn't get the recruits for one reason or another. You probably don't want to go to a big-name school with a crappy running program, because the reason that they suck is most likely that they have a bad coach and don't care.

I'll give one example, just because I know the coach. University of Richmond has good coaches, and they probably don't get very good recruits. I can tell you that they are the type of coaches who would prefer a slower guy that works hard than a faster lazy guy. As far as 17:20 goes, I would say it's a typical sophomore-in-HS time for a future average D1 runner. Outcomes vary widely, of course.

I run for a small D1 school in Texas, I think our minimum requirements for someone looking to be a Distance runner is 16:30.

That said, if you've only been running for two years you can continue to really work and bring down a 17:20 pretty easily. No reason to believe that in about two or three years with good training you can be going under 16.

Run on your own for a year or two out of high school and then walk-on to the school of your choosing. Good luck.

Penn State will probably let you walk on. I was a 16:20 guy when I walked on there. But they were a better team when I did that. So maybe a 17:20 guy could walk on there now. You better start running 80mpw now though.