National Intelligence Estimate: Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003

The intelligence we had on Iraq????

There was no slam dunk evidence for WMDs based on the reports, Sen.Durbin who was a member of the intelligence comitee at this time said he couldnt believe how the President(and Democrats like Clinton,Edwards) mislead the Public about the information he and the other members got.

Uh, make that Valerie.

RunDaddy wrote:

Sometimes you need to take the 'hate Bush' lenses off and try to look at the issue dispassionately. The next president is going to have to deal with this too, and he or she may be a lot closer to the Bush policy than you'd care to believe.

Maybe you need to take the 'defend Bush at all cost' lenses off. This whole scharade is being carefully stage managed to the desired end of bombing Iran. Bush wants it, Israel wants it, and no pretense of reason has ever stopped warmongers like these two.

What's the deal with all the "inside" information? I'm beginning to think you're less naive than an agent provocateur.

As far as the next president, unless it's Paul or Kucinich, you're right, as all other nwo-ziocon candidates are well within the tidy financial confines of the war machine/AIPAC's interests.

Southerner wrote:

Maybe you need to take the 'defend Bush at all cost' lenses off. This whole scharade is being carefully stage managed to the desired end of bombing Iran. Bush wants it, Israel wants it, and no pretense of reason has ever stopped warmongers like these two.

What's the deal with all the "inside" information? I'm beginning to think you're less naive than an agent provocateur.

Look, I'm no defender of President Bush. I've said many times on here that I didn't vote for him either time. I've been an intelligence officer for over 20 years and work for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. I'll be just as happy as many if a Democrat wins in '08.

I don't know why I waste my time on here sometimes. I guess it amuses me. But I do like to share my personal views, like anyone else, and I do have some unique insights that might be of interest to some folks.

Now it's snowing here in DC and I need to get my work done because the ride home is going to be hell on earth. Tomorrow I get to brief VP Cheney's Chief of Staff (Addington). That should be pleasant :-)

RunDaddy, keep posting. You are the only one informed on stuff like this.

c'mon at least be consistent - it is just like when euro cyclists get busted for drugs, no one questions the tests but obviously the tests are flawed when someone like landis or hamilton is busted.[/quote]

(sorry,a ittle late and off topic, bUT,)

Liberal Psychic Mind Control,

Youre joking right? Landis and Hamilton were mega-dopers along with about everyone else during that time period. It was so rampant it was unethical NOT to dope, although I didnt.

They doped and were caught just so you know. Wake up and smell the packed red blood cells.

Iran has few secrets, and the U.S. has few secrets. Persia is one of the greatest civilzations in the world. Iran has the bomb and so does all their neighbors, Pakistan, China, Russia, Germany, France, UK, Israel. It's not hard to build the bomb now. Iranians have been heavily enrolled in Nuclear Physics and Nuclear Engineering programs at western universities for 60 years now starting when the U.S. puppet Shah was in power. The U.S is intent on protecting Israel, but how many isolated colonies have survived throughout history, not many, the odds are not good. Arabs and Jews have inhabited Palestine for 10,000 years. I doubt if one can rid the other. As time goes on attitudes and sentiments change. Time is on our side.

Valery Plame and her husband were either trying to bring down the United States or are just plain stupid.

Its doubtful they're stupid. Maybe ignorant of the facts, but they knew very well what they were doing.

Iraq needed to go guys. Imagine if they hadn't.

you'd be paying 200 Dollars for Oil right now because Saddam would have been selling Oil in Euros to China. The Economy would be in full blown recession as a result (counter to popular belief the debt problem is NOT caused by Iraq. Its caused by high energy prices FVCKING up our economy).

Saddam, along with Iran, and Venezuela would all be bashing the United States, instead of just 2 of them. North Korea might not have disarmed. Syria would be even more active against Israel. Our allies in Europe would be dealing with these problems even more closely and be more vulnerable. Iran would still be building nuclear weapons. Read the report on why they stopped (Because we invaded Iraq).

You people don't understand how BAD it would be if we weren't in Iraq. 3,500 lives is a small price to pay for holding off World War III. We may still have to fight WW III, just not on such a massive scale since we're in Iraq, have Iran surrounded, and North Korea bending over.

Domestically President Bush has been a huge failure, but he has put this country in a stronger position to deal with the problem of our Enemies possessing the World's Oil. Just wait until October of 2008. Everyone will attack us because they know Bush's term is up. EVERYONE will sell the dollar. EVERYONE will not ship us oil. EVERYONE will ally against us. It would have happened anyways. Bush saved us, in a weird way. We have a fighting chance now, and when America gets a fighting change, watch out.

Yes its not politically expedient. Thats the whole point, the European Cabal and the Chinese and Russians, and muslims who all want to destroy and sacrifice America, control the foreign media and use liberals as plants for their policies in the U.S to destroy America. I'm not kidding. All of those buddy buddy Europeans at your schools THEY HATE America. All of those Koreans, those Chinese foreign students HATE AMERICA. Russians too. These students are actively encouraging Americans to hate themselves. They are hacking our computer networks. They are stealing university research and intellectual property. They're controlling liberals to be stupid and work for them unknowingly. Valerie Plame, bless her soul, that liberal witch was conniving from the beginning to screw America. And these agents KNOW how to screw America. Its easy to do because we are free. We think Peace and Love works, IT DOESN'T! Bush and the upper echelons of American Society saw the writing on the wall. LIKE HELL they are going to let this great nation be destroyed.

Hillary and Bill Clinton are also actively working for the European cabal to own and subdue America, so it can be sacrificed accordingly. These people are so evil they ARE MAKING YOU THINK BUSH is the satanist. He's not - THEY ARE. They are going to sacrifice us to SATAN (thats what they think anyways). The problem is deeper than you realize.

If you want a run down I can describe the situation and the opposing sides quite well.

email me if you want to understand more. I can't say it on the MB for obvious reasons.

Malkovichmalkovich27@yahoo.com

Jocelyn Kirsch, the 'HOT' chick who robbed hundreds of Americans and was getting ready to move onto industrial military secrets was a KGB plant as well. She was nabbed yesterday along with that KGB bastard boyfriend she had as well.

Why were they arrested? You think private school kids will be arrested for stealing? No. They were arrested because they were getting ready to start operations, and they were about to go off the intelligence grid with some MAJOR help from Chinese and Russian informants in the U.S. That wench would have been unstoppable. How many poor physicists from Lawrence Livermore would she have screwed their brains out? How many? those guys never get out.

Who do you think was following them? You guys READ THE SIGNS. There are FORIEGN agents and sympathizers ALL AROUND US. They aren't just Muslim, or immigrants, or have foreign accents. They act like any other american. They are usually liberal and intelligent. C'mon these people abort unborn babies- You think that have any morals in the rest of their lives? They'd willingly sacrifice your wealth for someone who doesn't do jack shyt because they want to DESTROY AMERICAN WITH SOCIALISM like their countries were destroyed.

Why do you think Jocelyn Kirsch was so fluent in Russian and majored in crap she already knew. She wasn't smart. Its like me going to Italy and majoring in English literature. She was RUSSIAN. She planned on moving back to Russia after she had done her nasties in America and taken off with EVERYTHING money, state secrets, military hardward specs- you name it.

Do you guys NOT SEE THIS? You should be PISSED your country is being devastated and all you do is rant and rave at Bush.

jesus.

honestly this is why we have nuclear weapons.

We have LOTS of nuclear weapons in our enduring stockpiles expressly for these people. And we are going to burn up and take THEIR OIL as Global warming devastates their Food crops.

They may be smart, but they can't change those facts. They will fail in the end, but they will fight like hell to destroy us. So we need to fight like Hell back. The more Jocelyn Kirsch's we catch the better.

The coo-coo bird has coo-cooed.

And it is time for you to turn your computer off before Nurse Cratchet hears you raving, again.

Sweet dreams!

Even if you are actually some 12yo typing away in your underwear and "Addison" is actually your golden retriever your posts are well informed and appreciated.

Quite a change of pace for Letsrun I'd say.

I hope you were being sarcastic!

Sure wrote:

Yes because that's all they know in Iran. The Dems think they can give Iran nucleur weapons and the world will be a safer place. They think our country doesn't understand the oppression they been through, that Iran needs sympathy and understanding. In other words, give them aid and comfort like the traitors they are.

Thank goodness we have a president with the knowledge and courage to understand this enemy.

either the most sarcastic post ever or...

i'll use the same b.s. argument you conservatives use for gun control: if everyone has a nuke, won't we able be safer. I DEMAND MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO AN ATOMIC BOMB! STOP TRYING TO LIMIT MY FREEDOM ALL I WANT ARE SO GODDAMN NUKES!

Well...if you guys don't want to believe the knuckle-dragging, zionist-nazi, neo-con administration, you can get it from our sophisticated, tolerant and clear-thinking brethren accross the pond. better re-evaluate before you jet-set over to paris or berlin to complain about our war-mongering.

France and Germany say Iran's nuclear program still a danger

By Katrin Bennhold The Associated PressPublished: December 6, 2007

PARIS: France and Germany said Thursday that Iran remained a "danger" and that the international community needed to keep up the pressure over its nuclear program despite a U.S. intelligence report concluding that Tehran was no longer building a bomb.

The joint remarks, from two countries that have been important in the diplomatic standoff with Iran, will have come as a relief to Washington four days after the publication of the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate was feared to erode support for tougher new sanctions.

Speaking in a joint news conference at Élysée Palace, President Nicolas Sarkozy and Chancellor Angela Merkel indicated that the findings had not changed their mind.

"The threat exists," said Sarkozy, one of the staunchest defenders of tough new measures. "Notwithstanding the latest elements, everyone is fully conscious of the fact that there is a will among the Iranian leaders to obtain nuclear weapons."

"I don't see why we should renounce sanctions," he added. "What made Iran budge so far has been sanctions and firmness."

RunDaddy wrote:

Look, I'm no defender of President Bush. I've said many times on here that I didn't vote for him either time. I've been an intelligence officer for over 20 years and work for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. I'll be just as happy as many if a Democrat wins in '08.

I don't know why I waste my time on here sometimes. I guess it amuses me. But I do like to share my personal views, like anyone else, and I do have some unique insights that might be of interest to some folks.

rundaddy, i just saw this NY times article and thought of what you've said on here before about bush's funding of african anti-poverty programs. wonder what you think of it.

i was particularly struck by this item in the second paragraph:

"The agency, a rare Bush administration proposal to be enacted with bipartisan support, has spent only $155 million of the $4.8 billion it has approved for ambitious projects in 15 countries in Africa, Central America and other regions."

got to agree with peeps on this one....

about 99% of Americans DO NOT realize that Bush/Cheney and co invaded Iraq to secure the oil AND

return the oil coming out of Iraq to being traded/sold in american dollars.

Saddam made a decision in late of 2000 to start selling his oil in Euro's instead of dollars. it was actually after a cabinet meeting of his in September of 2000.

Kind of ironic that almost a year to the date 9-11 happened, but i digress.

Peeps, you have probably read this book but if you haven't it is a very good account of what is currently happening in our government, why, and some ways to possibly de-escalate the chaos caused.

One book

PetroDollar Warfare

by

William Clark

Read it.....and educate yourself.

We are not approaching, we are IN the early stages of the Energy Wars.....

and unless we change our gluttonous ways we will be destroyed........by our own doing!

we have to do more than change our gluttonous ways, it will take a long time to get off oil- everyone knows this.

We either do two things- Energy Wars

or

Pay economically (all the gold in Fort Knox/Depression)

The problem, was that Bush was rushing head long into a Nuclear War with Russia over Iran. Doesn't matter who you are, you would have died.

Now, in essence, the Israeli's are on their own. the Liberty has really come back and bit them in the ass.

Still two pieces we promised Israel. if they have an oil shortage, we have to send them oil, even if we have an oil shortage here in the U.S. Second, if they are being invaded, we have to defend them with U.S troops. I don't know how these two pieces still apply, they probably don't. The leadership of the U.S intel/military made it very clear to Bush what they will and will not be doing.

When it all comes down to it, you gotta take care of your people, and the Generals are getting tired of watching their young kids dying. I just hope they know what they're doing, because Bush's plan wasn't all that bad, it was extremely risky, but it might have been the only way. And remember, nothing has changed, Putin and China, and some of the Europeans still have huge Chubby's for wiping the U.S out. And if the U.S gets wiped out I can assure you Israel would be annihilated soon there after.

Its a lose lose right now for Israel, so why sacrifice the U.S as well? Unfortunately the ball is now in Iran's court, and 'terrorists' exploding a nuke in Tel Aviv would result in Israel nuking Syria and Iran back to nothing, followed by Russia nuking Israel to more than nothing, then Russia and China both deploying 'humanitarian' aid to Iran and Syria, allowing them an in right too the heart of the middle east, and all that oil.

This Chess game has just gotten 100 times more complex than it already was. The last thing we need to be doing is fighting each other.

what a mess. what a mess.

...jeez, what a mess.

excuse me while my head explodes.