Salazar probably cheating

That is a VERY interesting article... Does this imply that you could take a lesser dose of HGH, maximize it's utilization through thyroid related hormones, and keep you on the low side of any potential HGH test? To say nothing of the role IGF is playing in their recovery!

Wow. I'm seeing Goucher's performance in a whole new light.

Coach d you are a dipshit. I said .1% thats POINT 1 % which is 1/1000. Dumbass. And wow I agree that thyroid hormone plus hgh is exactly the type of thing I am talking about is possible.

youre an idiot

Great questions! (could have been made more effectively without the profanity). Why do they have to go out of state like they all apparently did (I believe it was in Texas) to get diagnosed? There are plenty of endicronologists in the Willamette Valley who can diagnose these matters. One endocrinologist (who is the Dad of a runner) whom I spoke with when all of this was being discussed a year or two ago, was incredulous. He seemed to think that the going out of state issue (for something so simple to diagnose) was cause enough to at least question the motives. No hard evidence here but, the whole thing smacks of an elaborate system of "masking" agents that chemically alter the EPO tests to make them hard or seemingly impossibe to detect. The NCAA, IAAF and USAT&F need to get really serious about staying ahead of the cheaters.

You are, quite frankly, one of the bigger morons that has ever come here. Every one of your facts are wrong. The actual incidence of hypothyroidism that has been diagnosed in the US is 0.2% in men and 1-2% in women--and it is widely under diagnosed. Something like 20 million people in this country have some kind of thyroid disorder, according to many estimates:

www.project-aware.org/Spotlight/thyroid.html

You are a perfect example of why non-runners (and the medical profession) generally see runners as a bunch of obsess-compulsive nutcase losers, and you are picking on one of the 3-5 coaches who are actually delivering world class results in running. When YOU have coached a WC or Oly medal, maybe you have a right to comment.

Every one of my facts is wrong I said .1% in males 20-25 that is my only statistic. You come on and say 1% is no 1/1000 then you say my numbers are wrong because .2% of males have hypothyroidism. Which is probably true I said .1% 20-25 which is right dumbass because your chance increase the older you get. Yea and no one should question Floyd Landis unless they have coached or won a tour de france and one one should question gatlin unless they have run 9.77... You are a complete joke.

33rd degree insider wrote:

how is it that salazar's choice of a "team physician" just happens to be an expert on epo and doping protocols (he helped write the tests) and just happens to be the defense doctor of choice for dirty little tyler hamilton?

Dr. Jim Stray-Gundersen, an EPO research specialist at the University of Utah - friend of Alberto Salazar and team physician for Rupp and the Gouchers has been quoted "Urine tests at this juncture would only catch the stupid doper." (Mary Slaney anyone?)

Stray-Gundersen noted there are numerous ways to blood dope and beat the testing system. "There is no test for Dynepo, a red-blood-cell booster."

It's troubling to hear that an adviser to 3 of our top athletes is an EPO research specialist who thinks that only stupid athletes get caught and is confident that there is no test for Dynepo.

Alberto Salazar, like Marion Jones, used to send his urine samples to BALCO "for testing." Who sends their urine samples to testing? For what?

.1% does = 1/1000

Coach D won;t be winning the Fields medal this years.

Math wrote:

.1% does = 1/1000

Coach D won;t be winning the Fields medal this years.

He probably just missed the ".". The more major error was the caluclation of the odds of all three of them (which as far as I can tell is only two) having thyroid issues.

Another reason for Dr. Vigil's guidance that high school runners should not exceed 50mpw.

That's not really the case; I've spoken with Coach Vigil on this; 70 and 80 mi weeks are fine when appropriate.

midwaste wrote:

Man wrote:

Allergies and asthma be two different things boss.

Not so fast boss. I have in the past and currently deal with occasional bouts of wheezing associated with allergies. I don't consider myself to be asthmatic, but I have had an inhaler in the past (prescribed by my doc) for this problem.

Ok, I'll say it slowwwwer. Allergies and asthma are two different things, just like you just said yourself. Might they sometimes overlap? Yes. But they are still two different things. Boss.

and some guy - an epo research doctor, who says that "only stupid dopers are the ones who get caught" - just happens to have a cure for what ails team Salazar.were you guys all OJ jurors? geezus!

Man wrote:

midwaste wrote:

Not so fast boss. I have in the past and currently deal with occasional bouts of wheezing associated with allergies. I don't consider myself to be asthmatic, but I have had an inhaler in the past (prescribed by my doc) for this problem.

Ok, I'll say it slowwwwer. Allergies and asthma are two different things, just like you just said yourself. Might they sometimes overlap? Yes. But they are still two different things. Boss.

allergies can trigger asthma.

So while they might be two different things they can be connected.

Like in my case. If I didn\'t have allergies, I would not have asthma.

So having allergy problems is very relevant.

wamp wamp what it do wrote:

http://www.thefinalsprint.com/2007/06/studies-may-link-athletes-and-hypothyroidism/

Jeff See of Ohio had it his junior year of high school, what does your dad say the odds on that one are?

That's 1 guy. Salazar has multiple ones in his group. Yea, it does sound incredibly farfetched that this could just happen.

Thanks. I think mine was(is) an allergic reaction also.

Brochoconstriction is a bitch. It definitely makes me

feel sorry for anyone with asthma.

hey hypo people and those with actual knowledge of this topic.

any idea how a TSH can come up showing that you are HYPEr i.e. <.35 yet your T3 and T4 values aren't even hitting the middle of the normal range? after my last test, doc wanted me to cut back on the drugs but i know i would tank so i decided to wait it out - and get my next test the day after a long run. this time, TSH was .36 so no phone call from doc office, but my results still show bottom quartile of the normal on T3 and T4.

yes, i'm going to talk to a doctor but i'm interested to know if any of you had this issue before and if it were resolved.

For the record I think he stated .1%

dddddddddddddd wrote:

allergies can trigger asthma.

So while they might be two different things they can be connected.

Like in my case. If I didn't have allergies, I would not have asthma.

So having allergy problems is very relevant.

So, you are agreeing with what I said.