Salazar probably cheating

I slept with your mother last night.

Hoosierz wrote:

I slept with your mother last night.

Did you at least put her back in the crypt when you were done with her? She died in 1992.

1) Who has said anything about Kara Goucher having a thyroid problem? Can you find that documented anywhere?

2)

http://www.heractivelife.com/women/comment/hypothyroidism-and-athletes-oxymoron-or-reality/

Jeff See of Ohio had it his junior year of high school, what does your dad say the odds on that one are?

there's not enough aspirin in the world for this conversation.

Is hypothyroidism a binary, have it or don't condition, or are there various levels? Maybe there is a difference between a thyroid condition severe enough to impact a sedentary life, and one that slows a runner down by 1% and makes the difference between being pretty good and being great. Not saying that AlSal definitely isn't cheating, but leaving open the possibility that a real medical condition is being treated.

Here we go again...

Ask your "dad" if synthroid is really going to help imrove performance in an otherwise healthy individual because it most certainly will not.

There are thousands of hypothyroid threads on here you can look up all the details of why that is not feasible yourself.

I have hypothyroidism. I was diagnosed at 21 years old. Who knows how long i had it before that.

There have been few studies done on the correlation between high intensity endurance athletes and hypothyroidism (believe me I have looked). I feel, judging by the number of distance athletes I know personally with hypothyroidism, that there is a direct correlation. I would guess it has to do with training in the heat and excess stress.

I am no doctor, don't get me wrong. I can say from my 6 years of hypothyroidism and treatment it would make you worse to take the meds if you were not hypo. Secondly, I think there is a correlation. It is just not visible enough for anyone to really study it.

Does anyone know what the treatment is for hypothyroidism? Namely, what drugs is the individual prescribed?

Tedjo wrote:

Is hypothyroidism a binary, have it or don't condition, or are there various levels? Maybe there is a difference between a thyroid condition severe enough to impact a sedentary life, and one that slows a runner down by 1% and makes the difference between being pretty good and being great. Not saying that AlSal definitely isn't cheating, but leaving open the possibility that a real medical condition is being treated.

There are levels. The average person has between a 0 - 5 TSH (Thyroid stimulating hormone) level. A person who is hypothyroid is above that level (TSH stimulates the thyroid. If it is not working the body keeps pumping it out to get it to work). Many docs won't treat moderate hypothyroidism (up to 10 or so) When I found out I had it my TSH was 48 (pretty bad).

By the way, I am not saying I believe them to be clean. I think he was a cheater and most likely is still looking for that easier way to the top for his athletes. I am just saying that this is not the way to do it.

They are prescribed synthroid. It is a synthetic thyroid that is the same as the horomone that your thyroid puts out to keep the metabolism at the proper level. If you have too little, you are hypo and your metabolism is low. too much and you are hyper and your metabolism is too high. Both have many of the same effects. They both make you tired and feel like crap. The difference is weight loss in hyper and weight gain in hypo.

There are other things but I am getting in too much.

Does DMSO cause it? I heard Al loves to eat that stuff.

Well I was a 17 yr old kid when I found out I was hypothyroid....

I guess that makes me lucky....

give me a break man.

also rupp, goucher, etc. have all gone through the testing to see what their problem is/was. In diagnosing a thyroid problem it's more than just a simple TSH test...

Sorry I didnt mean to say that they havent had testing. I mean shouldn't USATF get their own doctors to run tests on the 3. To c davis. Yes my dad did say that abusing the medication would not help someone run better. But possibly it covers another drug they are using to cheat. My point is 1/1000 chance is ridiculous and it would not terribly surprise me if AlSal had found a doctor who knew something they dont teach in med school about these drugs.

from the ruppy thyroid post ->

add to this the tidbit that world renowned epo doc - stray-gundersen is the "team physician" for team salazar/goucher/rupp - then kara busts out big at wc's and puts the hammer down on paula.

nothing shady going on here - absolutely nothing!

when tyler hamilton needed a buddy to be on his legal defense team - who did he turn to? good ol doc stray-gundersen!

"Medical expert Jim Stray-Gundersen, who has conducted more than 10,000 blood tests on athletes participating in doping research programs, testified during my hearing that my reticulocyte counts from these three races were so low they “are not to be believed”. Of the thousands he’s evaluated in his career, he has only seen one test come up as low as mine – and it was an instance when he knew for a fact, the sample had been “mishandled” during transport to the lab."

Not true. A normal TSH level is about 0.5. I have HYPERthyroidism and my TSH level is less than .01 (combined with very high free T3 and T4). That is above 0 but is not average.

[quote]fhfhf wrote:

I just talked to my dad who is an endocrinologist and he says the odds of a 20-25 yearold having hypothyroidism is .1% or so. Thats 1/1000.

And what are the odds of a 25 year old running 27:25?

and not to mention all of his runners upon arrival in Oregon are miraculously diagnosed with exercise induced asthma (yes the gouchers too) and given steroid inhalants. Funny but how the f*** can the gouchers be all americans at altitude in Colorado and not have been diagnosed before..hmmm...curious. He does have doctors that will prescribe this shit..of course at a cost. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying right Al? Good luck with your next heart attack.

Thats a good question but irrelevant.