List your most despised sports teams/figures

yes the op is truly a f***tard

Hmmm... wrote:

Yea, I agree. Jordan was terrible for the sport. Seeing the greatest basketball player in history realize that he can only win championships if he plays within the team system was terrible for teams/players to come. All that buying into a team first attitude, while still showcasing the kind of skills that has made basketball a world-wide sport...

Jordan was not the greatest player in basketball history. The most prolific offensive player, perhaps. The biggest product of marketing, definitely.

He was a one-dimensional player with offense being his only true skill. The defensive accolades were the product of officials turning a blind eye in the NBA-mandated effort to keep the star on the floor. At least a third of his scoring came from undeserved trips to the line. He was not a good rebounder; his assist totals suggest that he was not the team player you describe.

I don't know who was the best player in basketball history, but there were several who were better all-around than Jordan:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Larry Bird

Etc...

the op is a f***tard wrote:

yes the op is truly a f***tard

The OP is devastated by your razor sharp repartee.

Baseball: Yankees. The epitome of what's wrong with baseball.

Baseball Player: Milton Bradley. Just an f'in jerk.

Football: Oakland Raiders. Can't seem to do anything right. Al Davis just needs to get the hell out.

Football Player: Robert Gallery (Oakland Raiders). When will the organization admit he is a bust and move on.

Basketball: Atlanta Hawks. Sorry franchise. Can't even win the Lottery.

Basketball Player: Ron Artest. Guy can't seem to do anything right.

NASCAR: All of it. Hate the sport and the die hards who follow it.

MLS: Who cares?

NHL: Stopped watching it after the strike season. Have no desire to return. When I was watching it, I always liked to see the Canadian teams, especially Montreal lose.

Track- Guys who wear stupid big shades and turn into road racers.

Football- Deion stupid clothes, dumb logic, grabs his crotch when he laughs and will defend a proven murderer because he's black.

Baseball- Mets, Gary Carter

Basketball- Rasheed Wallace, big baby who tries to come off hard.

Golf- Vijay, looks like he beats his wife when he loses

soccer - chelski

All pro players that get caught doing dumb stuff.........

All pro teams that do dumb stuff..........

That pretty much covers it all

MLB- Bud Selig,he is and has been ruining a great game.

College Hoops- Coach K{ratface},Bob Huggins,Dukie Vitale,Illini's coach who's name escpaes me.

NBA- David{im soo arrogant} Stern. Isiah Thomas

Wannabe Shoe Guy wrote:

Jordan was not the greatest player in basketball history. The most prolific offensive player, perhaps. The biggest product of marketing, definitely.

He was a one-dimensional player with offense being his only true skill. The defensive accolades were the product of officials turning a blind eye in the NBA-mandated effort to keep the star on the floor. At least a third of his scoring came from undeserved trips to the line. He was not a good rebounder; his assist totals suggest that he was not the team player you describe.

I don't know who was the best player in basketball history, but there were several who were better all-around than Jordan:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Magic Johnson

Oscar Robertson

Larry Bird

Etc...

6.2 Rebounds a game. 5.3 assists, The 1987-88 NBA Defensive Player of the Year and record nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1987-88 to 1992-93, 1995-96 to 1997-98, second all time in steals, SIX NBA championships.

Yea, the rules were changed, in order to prevent defenders from grabbing at quick perimeter players (like MJ) and impeding the flow of the offense. Regardless, this wasn't about being an all around player. He was the best. He won more than all those guys listed and did it with less talent around him.

Kareem?? C'mon man. This guy had the luxury of playing alongside two of the players that you list as being better than Jordan! He has scored the most points in the history of the NBA, but he also played longer, and against lesser defenders than did Jordan.

Jordan won rings with Luc Longley at center. Can you name another NBA champion from the last 25 years that won without a big man being dominant in some fashion? i.e.-such as Detroit having Mahorn, Liambeer and Ben Wallace. They were not scorers, per se, but were tenacious defenders which elevated them to being more than averge overall. Longley was a typical Non-American big man from the 80s/90s- could shoot, but not do much else. Jordan made his team better than anyone else could've.

Truth be told, Jordan has done more to raise the game than any individual player in the history of basketball. No doubt about it.

There's probably merit to both our arguments, although your obvious hero-worship may be tainting your objectivity just a bit. And my disdain for the NBA, which isn't really basketball the way it was meant to be played, probably taints mine.

Ultimately, we wouldn't be having this discussion if anyone in the MJ era NBA knew how to play defense like Dan Dakich.

And if it's all about championships, then I guess Bill Russell is the greatest of all time. There, it's settled.

Don't get your Hanes underpants in wad, okay?

face it, since shaq left kobe hasn\'t done shit. yah he scored 81 points, big deal, i don\'t think he\'s gotten out of the first round since shaq left. maybe kobe should get more of a lebron type mentality. you know like pass first? or pass at all. kobe doesnt do much of the passing thing. plus he bitches all the time. yah maybe the cavs got swept in the finals but at least they got there, b/c of lebron.

Wannabe Shoe Guy wrote:

Ultimately, we wouldn't be having this discussion if anyone in the MJ era NBA knew how to play defense like Dan Dakich.

Right, because the body of his defensive work was so deep. Tell me, if Dakich played defense so well, why weren't teams clamoring for his services in the years the Bulls were winning. Because Dakich's one game against Jordan surely wasn't luck, right?

Wannabe Shoe Guy wrote:

Don't get your Hanes underpants in wad, okay?

I think Cuba Gooding Jr. is stuck in there.....

The ONLY player you could make a case for as being better would be Bill Russell. In terms of changing the game, Bill Russell is better in that he brought new meaning to his position.

To argue that Larry Bird or Magic Johnson are better players makes you sound like a moron (and Im a Celtics fan!!!!).

Never before has someone brought the combination of athleticism, talent, ability to shoot, rebound, pass and control the ball. The fact that the same guy who won the slam dunk contect won the defensive player of the year is amazing.

Yet none of those characteristics are what made him so good. The reason he was so good was that he made Scotty Pippin one of the best players of all time. He won a chamionship with bill cartwright and luc longly!! That's why you will never see a player like him again. Labron won't do it. Kobe cant do it.

Jordan was the best because he made everyone else around him rise to his level. Johnson Bird and Jabar were all on GREAT teams.

Yanks- dont hate on my cubbies!!!!!!!!

Jeter

Broncos

Owens

Jazz

Dont know

Gordo

Dont know

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Good choice wrote:

Right, because the body of his defensive work was so deep. Tell me, if Dakich played defense so well, why weren't teams clamoring for his services in the years the Bulls were winning. Because Dakich's one game against Jordan surely wasn't luck, right?

I meant that in jest. Lighten up, will ya?

Wow, who knew so many people would line up to wash the feet of Michael Jordon and then ask that he baptize them in Lake Michigan?

Well, at least we can agree that he never measured up as a baseball player, right? (Now let me duck before the onslaught starts. I'm sure he'll get all sorts of undue credit for advancing all the way to the AA level with no previous experience...)

It's not about baptizing his feet in Lake Michigan. You took the ballsy position of arguing that there are/were better basketball players than Jordan. Regardless of anything- he's still the best known athlete in the world. What's more- he's one of the few athletes that is hyped to such a great degree based on success. Whereas many athletes are hyped for no other reason than they are flashy, see: Vick, Michael.

Anyone who attempts to argue that Jordan isn't the best basketball player of all time is simply an idiot, playing devil's advocate, or a lifetime Jazz fan.

Hmmm... wrote:

It's not about baptizing his feet in Lake Michigan. You took the ballsy position of arguing that there are/were better basketball players than Jordan. Regardless of anything- he's still the best known athlete in the world. What's more- he's one of the few athletes that is hyped to such a great degree based on success. Whereas many athletes are hyped for no other reason than they are flashy, see: Vick, Michael.

Fair enough. I'm sure my argument has holes and sells MJ short in a lot of ways, but I stand by my opinion that to a certain degree he was over-hyped and overrated, and everything he did on the court was way over-dramatized.