Best female world record in terms of male ranking

MEN

________WR_____5th______10th_____20th_____50th____100th_____200th____300th_____500th____1000th

00100 0:00:09.77 0:00:09.84 0:00:09.85 0:00:09.86 0:00:09.90 0:00:09.93 0:00:09.97 0:00:09.99 0:00:10.03 0:00:10.08

00200 0:00:19.32 0:00:19.72 0:00:19.77 0:00:19.82 0:00:19.89 0:00:19.97 0:00:20.05 0:00:20.11 0:00:20.18 0:00:20.29

00400 0:00:43.18 0:00:43.49 0:00:43.68 0:00:43.86 0:00:44.11 0:00:44.27 0:00:44.86 0:00:44.56 0:00:44.69

00800 0:01:41.11 0:01:41.77 0:01:42.28 0:01:42.54 0:01:42.90 0:01:43.28 0:01:43.67 0:01:43.92 0:01:44.20 0:01:44.71

01000 0:02:11.96 0:02:13.40 0:02:14.09 0:02:14.69 0:02:15.53 0:02:16.29

01500 0:03:26.00 0:03:26.89 0:03:27.40 0:03:28.40 0:03:29.50 0:03:30.44 0:03:31.20 0:03:31.96 0:03:32.85 0:03:34.08

01609 0:03:43.13 0:03:44.90 0:03:46.24 0:03:47.33 0:03:48.80 0:03:49.77 0:03:50.91 0:03:52.02

03000 0:07:20.67 0:07:25.11 0:07:26.03 0:07:28.04 0:07:30.23 0:07:32.30 0:07:35.08 0:07:36.68 0:07:39.08

05000 0:12:37.35 0:12:41.86 0:12:47.04 0:12:50.80 0:12:54.58 0:12:57.23 0:13:00.91 0:13:03.17 0:13:07.20 0:13:14.18

10000 0:26:17.53 0:26:28.72 0:26:36.26 0:26:49.38 0:27:04.00 0:27:14.26 0:27:25.12 0:27:32.02 0:27:41.92 0:27:53.95

15000 0:41:29.00 0:41:57.00 0:42:13.00 0:42:27.00 0:42:44.00 0:42:59.00

16090 0:44:23.00 0:45:12.00 0:45:29.00 0:45:46.00 0:46:00.00

20000 0:55:48.00 0:56:51.00 0:57:22.00 0:57:52.00 0:58:22.00 0:58:42.00

21098 0:58:55.00 0:59:10.00 0:59:22.00 0:59:42.00 1:00:02.00 1:00:24.00 1:00:47.00 1:01:03.00 1:01:20.00

42195 2:04:55.00 2:05:48.00 2:06:15.00 2:06:33.00 2:07:02.00 2:07:43.00 2:08:17.00 2:08:44.00 2:09:16.00 2:10:18.00

WOMEN

________WR_____5th______10th______20th______50th____100th_____200th_____300th_____500th____1000th

00100 0:00:10.49 0:00:10.70 0:00:10.72 0:00:10.77 0:00:10.82 0:00:10.86 0:00:10.92 0:00:10.95 0:00:11.00 0:00:11.07

00200 0:00:21.34 0:00:21.66 0:00:21.72 0:00:21.77 0:00:21.91 0:00:22.02 0:00:22.16 0:00:22.24 0:00:22.36

00400 0:00:47.60 0:00:48.22 0:00:48.59 0:00:48.83 0:00:49.16 0:00:49.45 0:00:49.74 0:00:49.90 0:00:50.19

00800 0:01:53.28 0:01:54.81 0:01:55.05 0:01:55.46 0:01:56.04 0:01:56.53 0:01:57.03 0:01:57.38 0:01:57.84

01000 0:02:28.98 0:02:30.60 0:02:31.50 0:02:31.80 0:02:33.18 0:02:35.03

01500 0:03:50.46 0:03:52.47 0:03:54.52 0:03:56.00 0:03:57.48 0:03:58.69 0:03:59.90 0:04:00.70 0:04:01.77

01609 0:04:12.56 0:04:17.00 0:04:18.09 0:04:20.89 0:04:22.30 0:04:24.13

03000 0:08:06.11 0:08:16.50 0:08:21.84 0:08:24.31 0:08:27.68 0:08:31.32 0:08:35.11 0:08:37.66 0:08:41.40

05000 0:14:24.68 0:14:29.32 0:14:31.09 0:14:32.57 0:14:40.59 0:14:44.51 0:14:51.11 0:14:55.78 0:15:02.43 0:15:14.44

10000 0:29:31.78 0:30:07.20 0:30:17.15 0:30:24.56 0:30:47.72 0:31:05.90 0:31:24.00 0:31:33.82 0:31:41.93 0:31:47.90

15000 0:46:41.00 0:47:15.00 0:47:43.00 0:48:06.00 0:48:30.00 0:48:55.00

16090 0:50:01.00 0:51:08.00 0:51:30.00 0:51:51.00 0:52:35.00

20000 1:02:21.00 1:04:01.00 1:05:02.00 1:05:38.00 1:06:21.00 1:06:55.00

21098 1:05:40.00 1:06:43.00 1:07:03.00 1:07:29.00 1:08:00.00 1:08:36.00 1:09:13.00 1:09:35.00 1:10:05.00

42195 2:15:25.00 2:18:56.00 2:19:46.00 2:21:12.00 2:22:50.00 2:23:57.00 2:25:21.00 2:26:14.00 2:27:26.00 2:29:27.00

Percentage performance lag men to women

________WR__5th__10th__20th__50th_100th_200th__300th_500th_1000th

00100 07.4% 08.7% 08.8% 09.2% 09.3% 09.4% 09.5% 09.6% 09.7% 09.8%

00200 10.5% 09.8% 09.9% 09.8% 10.2% 10.3% 10.5% 10.6% 10.8%

00400 10.2% 10.9% 11.2% 11.3% 11.4% 11.7% 10.9% 12.0% 12.3%

00800 12.0% 12.8% 12.5% 12.6% 12.8% 12.8% 12.9% 13.0% 13.1%

01000 12.9% 12.9% 13.0% 12.7% 13.0% 13.8%

01500 11.9% 12.4% 13.1% 13.2% 13.4% 13.4% 13.6% 13.6% 13.6%

01609 13.2% 14.3% 14.1% 14.8% 14.6% 15.0%

03000 10.3% 11.5% 12.5% 12.6% 12.8% 13.0% 13.2% 13.4% 13.6%

05000 14.2% 14.1% 13.6% 13.2% 13.7% 13.8% 14.1% 14.4% 14.6% 15.1%

10000 12.3% 13.8% 13.8% 13.4% 13.8% 14.2% 14.5% 14.6% 14.4% 14.0%

15000 12.5% 12.6% 13.0% 13.3% 13.5% 13.8%

16090 12.7% 13.1% 13.2% 13.3% 14.3%

20000 11.7% 12.6% 13.4% 13.4% 13.7% 14.0%

21098 11.5% 12.8% 12.9% 13.0% 13.3% 13.6% 13.9% 14.0% 14.3%

42195 08.4% 10.4% 10.7% 11.6% 12.4% 12.7% 13.3% 13.6% 14.1% 14.7%

AVG___11.4% 12.2% 12.4% 12.5% 12.8% 13.0% 12.6% 12.9% 13.0% 13.4%

11.4% Performance lag (avg)

_____________WR___

00100 0:00:10.88

00200 0:00:21.52

00400 0:00:48.10

00800 0:01:52.64

01000 0:02:27.00

01500 0:03:49.48

01609 0:04:08.57

03000 0:08:10.91

05000 0:14:03.69

10000 0:29:17.37

15000 0:46:12.75

16090 0:49:26.58

20000 1:02:09.67

21098 1:05:37.99

42195 2:19:09.43

10.0% Performance lag

____________WR

00100 0:00:10.75

00200 0:00:21.25

00400 0:00:47.50

00800 0:01:51.22

01000 0:02:25.16

01500 0:03:46.60

01609 0:04:05.44

03000 0:08:04.74

05000 0:13:53.09

10000 0:28:55.28

15000 0:45:37.90

16090 0:48:49.30

20000 1:01:22.80

21098 1:04:48.50

42195 2:17:24.50

7.4% Performance lag (Flo-Jo's WR)

_____________WR_

00100 0:00:10.49

00200 0:00:20.75

00400 0:00:46.38

00800 0:01:48.59

01000 0:02:21.73

01500 0:03:41.24

01609 0:03:59.64

03000 0:07:53.28

05000 0:13:33.39

10000 0:28:14.27

15000 0:44:33.19

16090 0:47:40.06

20000 0:59:55.75

21098 1:03:16.59

42195 2:14:09.63

Actual World Records

_______WR

00100 0:00:10.49

00200 0:00:21.34

00400 0:00:47.60

00800 0:01:53.28

01000 0:02:28.98

01500 0:03:50.46

01609 0:04:12.56

03000 0:08:06.11

05000 0:14:24.68

10000 0:29:31.78

15000 0:46:41.00

16090 0:50:01.00

20000 1:02:21.00

21098 1:05:40.00

42195 2:15:25.00

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malmo, you are rediculous. And by rediculous I mean awesome.

So if we disregard FloJo's WR (which many people do), Paula's 2:15 is the best female performance on the male rankings? (I'm not sure if I'm interpreting your data correctly.)

thechamelion wrote:

malmo, you are rediculous. And by rediculous I mean awesome.

Ridiculous, not rediculous.

reader of threads wrote:

So if we disregard FloJo's WR (which many people do), Paula's 2:15 is the best female performance on the male rankings?

Many people disregard PR's marathon, and I'm not so sure they're wrong to do so.

Why do some disregard it? It seems there's some controversy I'm not up on.

Yegerova wrote:

reader of threads wrote:

So if we disregard FloJo\'s WR (which many people do), Paula\'s 2:15 is the best female performance on the male rankings?

Many people disregard PR\'s marathon, and I\'m not so sure they\'re wrong to do so.

\"Many people\"?? Nonsense.

I believe FloJo's WR is considered flawed by some (including T&FN?) due to a very suspect (likely faulty) 0.0 wind reading, not drug issues.

thechamelion wrote:

malmo, you are rediculous. And by rediculous I mean awesome.

malmo, you are krapp. and by krapp i mean, er, good.

What did Paula do? wrote:

Why do some disregard it? It seems there's some controversy I'm not up on.

In running her 2:15+, PR was paced by a group of about six Kenyan men in an allegedly all-female race. Dave Bedford himself, who set up the pacing arrangement, acknowledged that it was worth at least 90 seconds to two minutes off of her final time.

I regard PR's 2:17+ as the women's world record in the marathon. I regard her 2:15+ as a stunt, like a treadmill marathon record. I regard Flo Jo's 10:49 as the women's world record in the 100, although I have substantial doubt about the wind reading and, more importantly, the likelihood that Flo Jo was not doped to the gills at the time.

If I read the charts right, a 2:17+ marathon would be somewhere around 9.5% or so, so it would still be the second best womens WR....

Why does there appear to be a hump in the middle (except for the 3k)??? If the women sprinters were doping to lower the gap on that end, is it that the marathon favors economy and VO2max, while the middle requires both power and endurance?

"paced by a group of about six Kenyan men in an allegedly all-female race"

ok, so are you shouldn't be allowed to have pacing by people faster than you?

never mind their gender, 'Kenyan men' just means "good pacing by fast people"

So if you are looking at 'Kenyan men' pacing Radcliffe as a 'stunt' then this is more of a double standard issue than an issue of pacing.

I'm finding it hard to believe it was a 'stunt.' It was just good pacing, by people faster than her; no women could do it. Pacing is pacing.

Radcliffe is just faster than almost all American men.

dont do numbers wrote:

Why does there appear to be a hump in the middle (except for the 3k)??? If the women sprinters were doping to lower the gap on that end, is it that the marathon favors economy and VO2max, while the middle requires both power and endurance?

Only the marathon doesn't favor VO2MAX at all. There goes your theory.

I think the proper way to evaluate the charts is to look 20-50-100-300-500-1000 deep across the board, where the marathon underperforms all events less than 1500m.

The lag near 3000m is most likely due to lower Vo2max in women to men.

The marathon, is pure economy.

You really missed the point of the whole controversy. Pacing by men, in a women's race, has never been allowed for record purposes. That's always been true in road racing as well as track. There are good reasons for that. I'll leave it to you to guess what they might be.

Bedford tried to finesse the issue by relying on the fiction that the Kenyan men were actually running in their own race -- a race that, oddly enough, didn't involve any actual competition, and didn't allow any participants other than the pacesetters. Paula was a willing participant in the whole charade. Some people (namely, most of the British public) bought it. Others (namely, many people who take the sport seriously) didn't. I didn't.

so if you were the fastest female in the world by far and wanted pacesetters for a record attempt, who would you use? A female that will drop out very early in the race making you do all the work pretty much the whole time. Or would you take the opp. to run all out for 26.2 miles with gentlemen helping you knowing that with this help its going to push your body to the max limits and achieve a truly great time that will prove 20 yrs from now that she was an incredible women.

I have no problem with any record that is set on a measured course. if your body does it, it does it. It's not like your going to take an out of shape women, throw a couple lads arond her and she is going to run 2:15.... come on think about it, you have to be fit enough to do it first. She was and she did it. Simple as that. she tested negative for doping, and the course was measured. Why such a problem? I think women should be aloud to have men pacesetters in track races as well. whats wrong with having a man run with Defar and try to break 14 for 5k someday. I would pay to watch it. I would love to see it happen. I also noticed that some of the prof women earlier in the year were jumping into guys races because womens races just don't come that often. Where you can jump in a lowkey mens race and run faster then ever and hopefully beat some cocky college boys that think they are fast.

Well said.

I view the use of 'illegal pacing' more favourably then the use of 'illegal substances'. Not that I have any proof. Just an opinion.

Avocados Number wrote:

What did Paula do? wrote:

Why do some disregard it? It seems there's some controversy I'm not up on.

In running her 2:15+, PR was paced by a group of about six Kenyan men in an allegedly all-female race. Dave Bedford himself, who set up the pacing arrangement, acknowledged that it was worth at least 90 seconds to two minutes off of her final time.

I regard PR's 2:17+ as the women's world record in the marathon. I regard her 2:15+ as a stunt, like a treadmill marathon record. I regard Flo Jo's 10:49 as the women's world record in the 100, although I have substantial doubt about the wind reading and, more importantly, the likelihood that Flo Jo was not doped to the gills at the time.

Paul Tergat had Sammy Korir. It's not Paula's fault she has no one that can go with her. So if it takes men pushing her, so be it. She actually ran the distance, she actually got that time.