Why won't people acknowledge that lance was dirt

that's ridiculous. no way, no how 10% of h.s. boys are on roids. saying stuff like that weakens your argument. you can find a study that shows anything you'd like if you look hard enough, but learn to discount the crap. you're a guy, right? i assume you went to high school. how many poeple did you know that were doping?

anyway, i agree the that top athletes are dirty, as evidenced by recent pushes for testing finding more and more cheaters.

I can't really see how it was humanly possible to win the 6 tours that lance did without some outside help.

I was ahuge Lance fan but when i heard that he started to back his friend and former team mate Tyler Hamilton who was the dirtest of them all, come on now saying that hi hg levels were way above the limit because of the extra blood from a feuteus that he shared with in his mothers womb i really began to wonder was lance really clean.

It was also scary when lancve reacted really strongly when Mr. Walsh an irish journalist questioned lance about his knowledge of Doctor Ferrai, that really got to me. I also heard about the make up he borrowed and all that.

If he is dirty how could he do all that cancer stuff wiyh victims, how could he look at his fans and sign autographs

cycling fan wrote:

not hatred, because I still admire his resolve to overcome his cancer).

Why? He used drugs to fight cancer.

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Jack arse wrote:

You are so full of shit it is coming out your nose. They don't test for HOW MUCH Testosterone you have in your system they test for the ratio of Testosterone to Epitestosterone. This value has nothing to do with the absolute value of T going through your body. In fact floyd landis' T values were actually quite low.

I hate when jackasses like your self pretend you know what you are talking about when you are just shoveling shit...

Jack Arse. You are corret about the fact that it is the ratio that is used and it seems that most of what Ghenghis says is a fairytale.

Interestingly the idea of using the scrotal patch for too long is a plausible reason for Landis failing his test, and it isn't the first time that it has cropped up on web forums.

This article is pretty interesting:

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Here is an excerpt from a magnificently named Doctor.

German doctor Kurt Moosburger recently detailed the use of steroids for recovery. "You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours," Moosburger told German press agency dpa. "The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster.

Runningart2004 wrote:

On a similar vein, some studies have shown that 5-12% of high school boys are taking roids.

On a similar vein, no actual peer-reviewed study has ever said any such thing.

ptboss wrote:

cycling fan wrote:

not hatred, because I still admire his resolve to overcome his cancer).

Why? He used drugs to fight cancer.

I simply meant that it was inspiring to see that he overcame near-fatal cancer and returned to his sport with determined resolve. He didn't give up on life even in the face of such a near-terminal disease. Resolve alone doesn't overcome cancer, but he did inspire others to not give up hope. I also appreciate his efforts to further cancer research and his work with cancer patients.

I still think he doped himself to victory in TdF but because of the cancer thing, I don't hate him or call him "dirt." I'm disappointed and disenchanted with the thought of him as a cyclist though. But that's just my opinion.

One must agree that performance enhancing drugs have been prevalent in cycling for a long time.

One must also agree that many of Lance's contemporaries are either admitting to using, or getting caught using, said drugs.

In order to believe that Lance was always clean, we must believe that Lance is such a genetic freak that he could absolutely dominate these same drug enhanced contemporaries, au naturel.

Is it possible? I suppose. Is it likely? Not bloody likely.

The tests are getting better. He got out at the right time.

I was waiting for someone to call this turd out!!! What a load of crap - if you're going to lie at least try to sound intelligent. As the poster said "you're so full of shit its coming out of your nose".

Riddle me this wrote:

In order to believe that Lance was always clean, we must believe that Lance is such a genetic freak that he could absolutely dominate these same drug enhanced contemporaries, au naturel.

Exactly. It's not like he trained or anything.

Actually, almost everyone I know thinks Lance was NOT clean... and that a clean athlete cannot possibly win the Tour de France.

Riddle me this wrote:

The tests are getting better. He got out at the right time.

I think Lance knew the tests were getting better and there was more and more of a chance of ruining his reputation by getting caught. I can't help but think that's the main reason he chose to race pretty much only the Tour and didn't even pursue the Olympics in 2004. He had much less of a chance for getting caught. I also can't help but think he could have dominated lots of other races across the board the way that Merckx did, but it would have looked way too suspicious.

Lance was clearly f****** dirt they all are!

Maybe everyone needs to have some respect for the greatest cyclist of all time. He was the most drug tested athlete throughout every tour he was in, and you can't tell me that he was able to hide doping. I hate that in today's society there can be an athlete as amazing as Lance, who as gone through so much to get where he is, and still be accused of doping even after he was tested like a million times every year. Everyone just needs to shut up and stop accusing him of doping.

Sure Lance was a great cyclist and would have been without doping, but it's hard to overlook:

his relationship with Dr. EPO (Michelle Ferrari)

he had so many lesser teammates (Hamilton, Heras, Landis) who were doping

he absolutely dominated the tour for 7 years over riders who were doping

the Andreu's court statement under oath

etc, etc, etc

Everyone has acknowledged that he is dirty. Even Lance has acknowledged that. He admitted to using EPO, HGH, and many other drugs. This is public information. He then denied it later. As he racked up tour titles, the public and media ignored the admission and focused on the victories. It seemed like more of a feel-good story for the American public.

If you think he was clean, you have had your head in the sand for a very long time.

Do a little research and you will find that several drugs (especially EPO) are not detectable the further back they are taken. So an athlete can dope up on EPO, building his red blood cells, and drop it in time to still reap the benefits in competition while passing his urine tests.

Check out this link for more info:

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/epoqa.php

Shut up!!!!!!! wrote:

Maybe everyone needs to have some respect for the greatest cyclist of all time.

And for the record, Lance wasn't the greatest cyclist of all time. Merckx was.

Carnivore 69 wrote:

Everyone has acknowledged that he is dirty. Even Lance has acknowledged that. He admitted to using EPO, HGH, and many other drugs. This is public information. He then denied it later. As he racked up tour titles, the public and media ignored the admission and focused on the victories. It seemed like more of a feel-good story for the American public.

If you think he was clean, you have had your head in the sand for a very long time.

If you think he's dirty fine but please do not lie about this.

If you believe Andreu's wife, he admitted to it. If you believe everyone else in the room including doctors, nurses etc he did not.

Believe he was clean, believe he was dirty, it matters little, but spare me the "it's public information" crap. It's hearsay.

Worth noting:

Lance's power output as a professional was fairly constant. After cancer, his power/weight ratio was improved dramatically.

Lance brought training to a whole new level. His competitors will all acknowledge that nobody spent more time training. Remember it hasn't been that long since the idea of racing oneself into shape was the norm.

No athlete in history has ever been tested like Lance. Granted, it doesn't mean that he's clean, but if testing had any efficacy at all, it's hard to think he wouldn't have been caught.