Rutgers is garbage!

They are only saving $800,000 by cutting the sports. That is hardly anything at all.

Also you need a backup program in case Football and Womens basketball start to wane. It just takes a few loses to put Rutgers football back in the toilet. I think Rutgers is putting all their eggs in one basket.

It is a shame Rutgers is self destructing their athletic programs. It was also a good year for Rutgers baseball(big east champs) and Mens Soccer (Big East Red Division winner).

If their decent track and field programs gets the axe then Rutgers will just be another failed NJ institution. BTW, Rutgers was big east champs in Track and Field last year.

How true...

Just when Rutgers starts to become a big east power in sports the administration decides to start taking it apart. Sports play a big role in the success of a state university. In Jersey anytime success is shown it is time to dumb it down.

What is gained by ruining a decent sports program. I am starting to see why people are leaving the state. I should know many are here in Bucks County PA!!!

Truth seeker 2 wrote:

They are only saving $800,000 by cutting the sports. That is hardly anything at all.

Also you need a backup program in case Football and Womens basketball start to wane. It just takes a few loses to put Rutgers football back in the toilet. I think Rutgers is putting all their eggs in one basket.

It is a shame Rutgers is self destructing their athletic programs. It was also a good year for Rutgers baseball(big east champs) and Mens Soccer (Big East Red Division winner).

If their decent track and field programs gets the axe then Rutgers will just be another failed NJ institution. BTW, Rutgers was big east champs in Track and Field last year.

$800,000 could be used to bring in about ten new faculty - so it is not "nothing at all." Everyone in the university is experiencing these cuts - why should athletics be special? Entitlement?

dmb wrote:

$800,000 could be used to bring in about ten new faculty - so it is not "nothing at all." Everyone in the university is experiencing these cuts - why should athletics be special? Entitlement?

Cutting a team is the same as cutting an academic departments. They are taking away all chances to participate in that sport. They can cut travel costs or assitant coaches, that's the same kind of pinch academic departments are feeling, but they aren't dropping academic departments. If anything, athletics is getting screwed harder than academics. This is the same as having a school with only business, engineering, and biology.

Umm Dude wrote:

dmb wrote:

$800,000 could be used to bring in about ten new faculty - so it is not "nothing at all." Everyone in the university is experiencing these cuts - why should athletics be special? Entitlement?

Cutting a team is the same as cutting an academic departments. They are taking away all chances to participate in that sport. They can cut travel costs or assitant coaches, that's the same kind of pinch academic departments are feeling, but they aren't dropping academic departments. If anything, athletics is getting screwed harder than academics. This is the same as having a school with only business, engineering, and biology.

This is not true - clubs afford plenty of opportunities to participate.

Since the primary purpose of a university is to educate people, athletics and academics are not on equal footing within a university.

What do you know about the pinch that academic departments are facing?

$800,000 would barely be able to pay for half of a new building facility.

Who was the fastest miler from NY. Is it John Gregorek. It must be since 3:51 is still rare for an American to run.

Wrong thread...be more careful.

Moe Larry Curly wrote:

$800,000 would barely be able to pay for half of a new building facility.

Well, here's another informed opinion. Where did I say facility? I said "faculty" as in the people who teach and do research.

That being said, a new all purpose building with no special requirements = ~$10 mil.

New science building = $40-100 mil.

So you we only off by a factor of 10-50 or so.

Corruption is ingrained into everything that goes on in Jersey. I grew up there and I loved it, but I can't stand the fact that you have to pay money for nothing. The taxes are incredibly high and you still have to pay for things like going to the beach. Half the money you pay in taxes go to lining somebody’s pockets. Cutting some sports teams will pay to have a few kitchens remodeled. You don't really see it while living there, but once you move away, the truth becomes clear.

I would also like to add, that the school is starting a campus wide renovation during a budget crisis.

http://ur.rutgers.edu/medrel/viewArticle.html?ArticleID=5505

R....U! wrote:

I would also like to add, that the school is starting a campus wide renovation during a budget crisis.

http://ur.rutgers.edu/medrel/viewArticle.html?ArticleID=5505

Another article.

dmb wrote:

Since the primary purpose of a university is to educate people, athletics and academics are not on equal footing within a university.

What do you know about the pinch that academic departments are facing?

I'm a TA to a department head at one of the top public universities in the nation. I'm not saying I'm making decisions, but I see what's going on within the department. Not to mention, I know many other TAs that lost their jobs because the department TA budget was cut.

True, athletics is not the primary purpose of a university, but neither is football. The money isn't going to anything academic, it's going towards football. It COULD be used to bring in 10 new faculty members, but you and I know it's not. Seems to be a shocking coincidence that as soon as Rutgers gets decent at football they drop other sports... Most major public universities are having budget issues; however, dropping sports is not the answer - especially when you can bet the football team will have $800,000 worth of nicer equipment. And to think that the money will go to academics is just plain ridiculous. Club teams are fine for those less competitive that want to still compete, but they shouldn't replace D1 athletics. College is every bit as much about opportunities as it is about education. I'm sorry if wherever you went to school wasn't.

So right back at you, what do you know about the pinch that academic departments are facing? You seem rather naive to be working in any academic department.

Umm Dude wrote:

True, athletics is not the primary purpose of a university, but neither is football. The money isn't going to anything academic, it's going towards football. It COULD be used to bring in 10 new faculty members, but you and I know it's not. Seems to be a shocking coincidence that as soon as Rutgers gets decent at football they drop other sports...

The sports were cut before this football season.

And I'm pretty sure each individual football player costs the university around $35,000.

alumni of the cut sports raised 2 MILLION dollars to save the sports that collectively coast 800,000. the state found ways to give the university back 1.2 million to save the sports, and rutgers still passed on it. don't say the money isn't there, because it is.

there is another agenda here.

the day schiano arrived at rutgers, many of the minor sports were shit on. this is another of a series of steps to make rutgers just another football machine state school. we aren't going to be (nor were we ever) stanford as thinks mulcahy thinks. we will be texas a&m, florida or oklahoma.

compromising what's right for students in the interest of athletic fame (and personal glory in the case of mulcahy) is a business decision, because a busineesman is whatm ulcahy is. he is not an educator. this move clearly shows what his motives really are.

I was looking at going to Rutgers this year, but I really got the idea that track might not be around for another 4 years, regardless of what is said.

And somehow, even though Track and XC have something like 6.5 scholarships, Football maintains its 65+ scholarships. Makes sense, you obviously need 65 players to make a single team.

Ridiculous. It's time to stop the gravy train for football and allow the other sports to continue, even if you cut their scholarships.

You Yanks and your Football amaze me. You are willing to destroy valid Olympic sports in order to promote a sport only played in North America. Mean while Europe surpasses the US in both Golf and Tennis. Actually, go ahead with your football and let other countries take over the real sports.

I have seen football on the cable and it is piss poor. Why do they always stop. I will stick with Premiere League soccer and piss on Football.

At least the MLS is developing athletes that may compete on the international stage someday. It is not great soccer, but it is a decent start.

Piss off Football. We don't want your game in Europe either. It is f***ing up our soccer fields.

Rutgers has actually produced many quality soccer players. Men and women.

I'm a tenured faculty and chair of a small department.

I bring in more money than my salary plus benefits, so who is naive here? Money is what makes the world go around, junior, and a good football season is worth infinitely more then national champion swimmers and great tennis players, etc.

It really amuses me that a bunch of you think Mulcahy and Mccormack are sitting around hatching evil plans. "Let's rob the swimmers of their scholarships and put a solid gold toilet in Schiano's office with the money we save."

The bottom line is this: survival and prosperity in academics depends on self sufficiency. As soon as you utter the phrase "It only costs the University $x.xx," you're screwed. No one will listen unless there is a huge potential upside. Face it, people could be setting WR's left and right in swimming and track at RU and no one would care. They are still nonrevenue sports. Football generates revenue.

Anything that doesn't generate revenue will be on the chopping block at one time or another. Get used to it and if you want to go into academia yourself, find out how to get funding and keep it.