Matt Teg and Dathan Ritzenhein, 3000m conversion of their 2 mile run at Pre

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Matt' 2 mile 8:07.07.......converts to 7:30.38- 3000m and 12:55.31- 5000m. Just what I thought before I saw the conversion table.

Dathan's 2 mile in 8:11 high....converts to 7:34.84 and 13:02.89- 5000m and 27:17.38. I think the 5000m maybe slightly faster than Dathan's capable this year and the 10000m about 27:12 (if stays healthy and in the right race later in the year)

Does anyone really think Ritz would've run 13:02 in a 5K with all the same conditions, even as a strength-side 2-miler? Forget the 'dream', 'think big' or 'how can we really know?' answers. Do you really think Ritz would've popped a 13:02, when Teg peaked at 13:04 over Europe last year? Ritz really showed a lot at Pre, but I'm thinking 13:09, which is still a heckuva time.

At the same time, I think Ritz'll beat the 10K AR this summer... meaning, I just don't believe in these tables. Most (not all) of the time, the non-Olympic distances convert to unrealistic Olympic distance times. Hall's 13.1 converts to the 26:50's, yet he couldn't run w/i 1:10 of it. Despite his marathon training, and optimum distance, 1:10 is a lot of time.

Teg only ran 8:16 last year. Ritz ran 8:11. 5 seconds faster. LONG LIVE PERFORMANCE TABLES!!!

ttc wrote:

At the same time, I think Ritz'll beat the 10K AR this summer...

Just where do you think he will do it when he hasn't any planned?

I don't think Hall or the field was pushing the pace to run too much faster than they did, you also have to realize he tapered for the 1/2 marathon- didn' for the 10000m. Could he run 26:50 right now but he definitely is much better than his track 28 low.

I don't think the tables are to be look like a perfect conversion tool but they give alittle insight on the abilities of the athlete. If the athlete trained for the other event, not if they just jumped in the other event and ran it off some other training.

The tables take an off-distance that isn't run all that much by the world's elites, and are quick to equate some of these off-distance times to phenomenal 26:5x or 12:5x performances.

Ryan Hall's a great runner and Ritz is as well, when healthy. But no American's ever touched 26:5x. Todd Williams never got within 30 seconds of it, yet Hall's 13.1 debut was the equivant of it?? BTW, weren't some runners hitting 58:00+ a month later? Were those 26:20 equivalents? Regarding 12:5x, that's Mottram territory and Ritz/Hall are not Mottram in any correct conversion.

ttc

Slow down and think about what you are saying...there ARE only 3 athletes who have run 58 plus in the 1/2 marathon EVER (and that's a far cry from some a month later). Of those 58 plus 1/2 marathoners: one is Haile Gebrselassie who is in that 26:20 neighborhood and one is Samuel Wanjiru who ran 26:41 as a teenager last year (surely he's faster this year), and I don't know much about the third. So it's clear that 58 plus 1/2 marathoners are capable of running VERY close to 26:20.

The scales didn't put Ritz in 12:50 category, where did you get that from?

The conversion scales ALSO don't say that THE SAME athlete could/would run the equivalent another distance- it's simply giving you the equivalent performance for that distance in relation to another distance (not saying the same person would do it).