Immigration, AMAZING reaction.

I'm in New England, where are you Roccer, California?

So Americans are only white?

MSK wrote:

That said, I think it's a social justice issue. These are people and should be treated well and with repsect.

Send them back and then give them the opportunity to apply for reentry ... at the end of the line of tens of thousands currently going through the process legally. Do you realize there are people in the Phillipines who fought side-by-side with Americans in World War Two, applied for citizenship, and years later are still waiting? Unlike the Mexicans, they cannot just run across the border or cram 150 people into a tiny boat to make the short journey across the Caribbean from Haiti. So, they apply and wait ... and wait ... and wait ... while millions of illegals jump in front of them. Filipinos died alongside Americans but can't get here; illegal Mexicans do get in and then fly the Mexican flag over an upside-down American flag. It makes me sick.

I really don't understand what the issue is. There are proper legal channels to apply for citizenship or residency. Those who enter or stay illegally are criminals according to our law. My roommate during my freshman/sophomore years of college got his citizenship at 18 years old, having been in the country legally since he was 6. My girlfriend has been here legally for over 6 years but is still restricted by the tight regulations on her student visa--she can't even get an off-campus job. If these people are going through the arduous bureaucratic procedures to comply with American law, as I have done when living abroad, why should people who totally ignore American law get a free pass while there are still hundreds of thousands waiting patiently for years on end?

kartelite, that was a great post. I think your thoughts would be repeated by a majority of Americans. My follow up question is why the illegal immigrants feel they are entitled to special treatment.

Honestly, put yourselves in a Mexican's shoes and ask yourself what would you do? Since so many people here are advocating for "protecting their own," I can't imagine that you wouldn't take the steps necessary to give your family a decent shot at survival, legal or not. Anyone who says they would just accept a life of abject poverty and unsure survival without trying to do something about it is totally full of shit.

And the process outlined by Kartelite is simply too hard to be adhered to without some kind of outside help (judging by the fact that one of those kids was in college he clearly has a certain degree of resources available to him that most illegals do not have). This girl can't get an off campus job - where does she find the money to support herself (from somewhere else, obviously, an option not open to many illegals).

These guys aren't freeloading because they want to, they're freeloading because they have to to stay alive. And honestly my quality of living is so damn high (and they're contributing to that) that I really don't feel that bad giving up 4,000 dollars a year to take care of them. That's a small price to pay for living in America.

kartelite wrote:

I really don't understand what the issue is. There are proper legal channels to apply for citizenship or residency. Those who enter or stay illegally are criminals according to our law. My roommate during my freshman/sophomore years of college got his citizenship at 18 years old, having been in the country legally since he was 6. My girlfriend has been here legally for over 6 years but is still restricted by the tight regulations on her student visa--she can't even get an off-campus job. If these people are going through the arduous bureaucratic procedures to comply with American law, as I have done when living abroad, why should people who totally ignore American law get a free pass while there are still hundreds of thousands waiting patiently for years on end?

Kartelite,

Unfortunately it isn't as easy as you may believe to get a student visa or any visa for that matter. Many and I mean MANY people are denied visas, which is why the choose to come here illegally. Most of the illegal immigrants tried to get legal access to the United States, but were denied, so they did what they had to in order to take care of their family.

I know an illegal immigrant who left his job as an engineer in South America to come to the United States and clean houses because they would pay him better here for that than they did back at home. He is very well educated, speaks english, and has a master's degree. Unfortunately the country he lived in did not treat him well and neither did his company. So now he cleans houses and supports his family.

It is difficult to get a VISA. I had to wait to get a student visa to come here, and finally have my greencard. This isn't as easy a process as people believe.

Nope, but they fly AMERICAN flags.

MSK wrote:

That said, I think it's a social justice issue. These are people and should be treated well and with repsect.

That said, I think it's a rule of law issue! These are criminals and should be treated as such.

Ok well, the door swings both ways.

Now that the 12 million have recieved their free educations, workplace training and health care, the most logical thing would be to send them BACK to Mexico to clean up their own country.

They were perfectly willing to uproot their families to come here, so it shouldn't be a big deal for them to do the same thing and go back.

Ok well, the door swings both ways.

Now that the 12 million have recieved their free educations, workplace training and health care, the most logical thing would be to send them BACK to Mexico to clean up their own country.

They were perfectly willing to uproot their families to come here, so it shouldn't be a big deal for them to do the same thing and go back.

alright to come from a third-world country to US, you have to have money and connections in the government. there are few exceptions and those are the lucky people. It took me 7yrs to get my greencard and process is so long and you have to do a lot of bullshit.

I have watched many documentaries on who comes from South America and how he/she comes to US. Trust me its not a pretty picture and all the shit they have to go through. especially women, kids, and young girls becasue they get raped, kidnapped or possibly betrayed by their coyote(person they pay money to help them cross the US border) One guy sold most of his property he owned to pay his way into US illegaly. so they don't just jump the border, they have to work hard and give bribes to almost everyone while coming here including police(in their country not american police) and if they don't have anything to give they go to jail.

I was impressed by those who make it and now those who thinks they don't deserve to be here. Well, US Govt allows people to hire illegal immigrants well doesn't really enforce the law or however u look at it. People come here because they get paid and get better life style. I'm from Norther virginia and around here most of the illegal immigrants are normal people working twice as hard as white people or american citizens to make a living and support their families back home. There were many sad stories where the son would come to US to help his starving parents because he couldnt' find a job back home and didn't have any money to go through the legal process so he would get here by hanging on trains, running through jungle and all tht crap. mainly if you want to stop illegal immigrants u have to destroy the source that attracts them, People who hire them for work. i mean why would you come if nobody is going to pay you?

there are probably a lot grammar errors in there but its for letsrun not my english class.

NO, TRUE AMERICANS ARE "red indians"

If you aren't a real white or Japanese go back. Eastern Europeans are half-breed asians, Arabs and Jews are half-breed Africans, and all Africans, Asians, Mexicans should all be kicked out of the U.S. no matter how long they have been here. We whites are sorry for slavery, so we will send all Blacks back to Africa for free as reparations, no charge, airline tickets are on the house. No Catholic Pope lovers either, Italians and Irish get a free ride back to Europe. Only Real Whites from Scandinavia, Germany, France, England, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, etc. can stay. No Spanish, Portugese, Yugoslavs, Turks. You must be a Christian Protestant. No Mormons, no Scientology. Japanese can be whatever pagan mythology they want, whatever the idols they worship, and commit banzai attacks for, it doesn't matter, they produce and are the only people like us Real Whites, the Japanese can stay in America. DNA tests for all, if you are part monkey, you're outa here. Real Whites and Japanese only. Others get the FFFF out of America !

no natives wrote:

Think of this all of you wrote:

if we forget about legal or illegal, and talk about immigrants for one moment, unless your a "RED INDIAN" then your all from an immigration background.

nope, they are immigrants too

Colonists are not immigrants. An immigrant goes from one country to another. There was no country here prior to 1776. Colonies, yes.

Don't be so silly. There isn't one town or city in England where whites are the minority. Look up some stats before you spout off.

Leicester may become the exception by the next census.

Never heard of the Iriquois Nation (which served as a model for our republican form of government)? Or any one of thousands of others? Or did they not have a flag?

The Iriqouis were not a model for the Constitution. Madison and company were not looking towards the Indians for inspiration

mobile9 wrote:

Never heard of the Iriquois Nation (which served as a model for our republican form of government)? Or any one of thousands of others? Or did they not have a flag?

Show me the map of the 'Iriquois' [sic] nation, with the capital and chief towns, as well as its boundaries. Produce its constitution or notable state documents.

What sort of government--monarchy? Representative democracy? Or simply parasitical pillage and theft, from other indians and white missionaries and settlers?

Iroquois nation indeed! It was no nation, but a loose confederation of warlords.