Rupp will be the next American to run under 13 minutes for the 5k!!!

These are the Americans who have a shot at Sub 13 this year.

Teg

Fam

Webb

Ny runner,

Well if we are adding people who have run faster then Rupp in the past don't forget Nick Rogers, his Pr is faster the Rupp. Oh and while your at it let's add every body ever who had a pr faster then Rupp. Rupp just bombed Asmerom, a last name you didn't even know how to say, and you still want to put him in front of Rupp because of what he did in 2004? Congrats your dumber then the 4:30 miler, TTC, and Flagpole combined.

the water wrote:

Ny runner,

Well if we are adding people who have run faster then Rupp in the past don't forget Nick Rogers, his Pr is faster the Rupp. Oh and while your at it let's add every body ever who had a pr faster then Rupp. Rupp just bombed Asmerom, a last name you didn't even know how to say, and you still want to put him in front of Rupp because of what he did in 2004? Congrats your dumber then the 4:30 miler, TTC, and Flagpole combined.

Tip: When calling people out as being "dumb", make sure you spell "you're" the intended way, especially when you did it wrong twice. You can't claim it's a typo in that case. Would be a good idea also to use punctuation properly and spell everything correctly, but maybe that's just me.

BBc wrote:

If you dont know if Lagat is an American, (be it by birth, or naturalaization) you dont have any reason to be on the massage board. You the the most ignorant American I have seen here ! period.

Maybe not knowing how to spell MESSAGE would eliminate you as well. Rupp's speed isn't readily apparent because he doesn't run the mile all that often other than an occasional relay, but I think he's got plenty.

haha, I wonder how long flagpole stared at his message, checking it for typos before he clicked post. over under 5 minutes?

Thanks water, I'll take it as encouragement.

Asermom did run well at 8k USTAF so its not like he is retired. Maybe that was a bad choice anyway to put him on the list. Nick Rogers did make the olympic team in the 5k. It remains to be seen whether Galen can do the same.

Before you talk about Rupp breaking 13, let's see if he can break 4, break 13:20, win a NC XC title and pass a drug test.

Break 1320, it will happen. Break four, he won't run it. Run 27:20, happening. Win an NCAA title, he's not a cross runner. Pass a drug test he had people knock on his door for a random test last week. He passed. You still looking like a dumb ass, check.

wait so the only thing that actually has happened is that he passed a drug test?

you can't refute his percieved lack of speed or the fact that he hasn't run 1320 yet.

He's not a cross a runner? so he isn't strong and he isn't fast what does that make him?

Sagarin wrote:

Agreed. Rupp, Ritz, Goucher, and Hall will never break 13:00 for 5k. They simply lack the raw footspeed. Webb will be our best 5000 hope if he trains for it; he has 12:55 or better kind of potential.

I agree that the guys you named probably will not break 13, the best 5k guys are usually milers, Geb, Tegat, KB were the exception. You really do need to be a decent miler.

A guy that can barely break 4 minutes in the mile would run be running at almost 90% of their mile pace for the first mile of a 5k and would not even be 1/3 of the way into the race. Excluding Lagat, of the U.S. elites, I only see Webb and Teg as being able to run a sub 13 5k. If Hall and Ritz abandoned the marathon a really focused on running fast 5Ks, I would not say it is impossible. Remember, Meb, Bore and Grocher in their prime could not get under 13; the fact that only 4 non-African have done it should tell you something.

NY runner wrote:

He's not a cross a runner? so he isn't strong and he isn't fast what does that make him?

The fastest American 10k runner in NCAA history. Good day.

Too bad this thread is about sub 13 in the 5,000m.

Never taken anything away from his 10,000m track performance.

I don't think NCAA cross is the be-all-end-all to deciding whether or not a runner has "strength."

Just because you're good at longer distances doesn't necessarily (if I mispelled that may letsrun have mercy on my ignorant soul) mean you're a beast at cross country. This obsession with cross country dominance seems to be endemic to letsrun posters. Geb didn't need extreme cross strength and 8 million titles to absolutely dominate the track 10k in the 90s, did he?

Also, Rupp's 5k is quite obviously soft compared to his 10k. . . especially since Rupp's 5k splits in his 27:33 performance were like 13:55 then 13:3x. If you can close a 10k within a few seconds of your 5k pr, I'd wager that your 5k pr is about to go down.

That being said, I would be very surprised if Rupp did go under 13-- 1) his weak mile and 2) the lack of a race that is paced that fast in the US in June, when Rupp will be peaked for NCAAs.

haha wrote:

haha, I wonder how long flagpole stared at his message, checking it for typos before he clicked post. over under 5 minutes?

No need for me to. I misspell words and/or make typos all the time when I post here. But, I also don't call people stupid either. Therein lies the difference. Because brother, if you're gonna call someone out for being stupid, you'd better have a spotless stupidity record. That dude didn't.

NY runner wrote:

Before you talk about Rupp breaking 13, let's see if he can break 4, break 13:20, win a NC XC title and pass a drug test.

This has already been debunked. Rupp can run sub 4:00. I mean he ran 3:44/7:49 for 1500/3K 2 years ago, and I think we can all agree he is in much better shape now.

Someone used Teg's 1500 time as a benchmark, why not go with the guy who's actually been to 12:xx. BK only ran 3:56 (Though according to his wikipedia article he regularly broke 4 in practice). I think Rupp can run that now, but I don't think that means he will run under 13.

To sum up, he has the requisite speed, does that mean I think he can do it? No. I don't see him ever focusing solely on the 5K, He and Salazar seem to be very 10K+ type thinkers.

On a side note, how come Bob Kennedy, possibly the most dominating American runner ever, is not the default subject of wikipedia's "Bob Kennedy" article? The default is a 1940s-50s Baseball player/manager who was a lifetime .254 hitter with only 63 HRs in 16 season (<4 a season) and who had a losing record as a manager. Is there anyway we can petition for BK to be the primary result?

Rupp can run sub 4:00. I mean he ran 3:44/7:49 for 1500/3K 2 years ago, and I think we can all agree he is in much better shape now.

Someone used Teg's 1500 time as a benchmark, why not go with the guy who's actually been to 12:xx. BK only ran 3:56 (Though according to his wikipedia article he regularly broke 4 in practice). I think Rupp can run that now, but I don't think that means he will run under 13.

Rupp is a tool. You , OP are also a tool.

NY runner wrote:

i'd say you'd have to break 4 or the equivilent in 1500 before talking about breaking 13. I don't think he has the speed.

V02 Max - yes, speed & and anerobic capacity no.

Right now his PR is 13:37? he has got a long way to go.

He ran 13:18 indoors.....American record.

Look at the date. Someone bumped this up from 2007. At the time Rupp really didn't have an excess of speed.

NY runner wrote:

i'd say you'd have to break 4 or the equivilent in 1500 before talking about breaking 13. I don't think he has the speed.

V02 Max - yes, speed & and anerobic capacity no.

Right now his PR is 13:37? he has got a long way to go.

Oh please. Rupp HAS run sub 4 minute mile. Furthermore in the spring, he ran a closing lap in the 1500M in 52 seconds. Doesn't have the speed? If you are going to be wrong, at least try to be wrong for the right reasons.

Eventually the biggest road block to Rupp not breaking 13 in the 5K is him simply not running it, or if he does, not having the race play out the way it did for Ritz in his AR. Once Rupp develops his endurance base, 13:00 is very doable.