Just keep running folks. We will need an outlet

I was wondering what She hopes to accomplish, other than show the World that the US is badly divided on this whole Iraq business.

If bin-LAden is still alive, he is probably smirking right now.

It's not just the Dems, it's the whole frickin' national elected body including the prez. They are all self-serving and totally clueless as to what is best for this country. Yikes!

Well at least the Dems are paying attention to what the majority of the country wants: to pull out of Iraq and let them fight their civil war before we lose more of our boys. I take moral issue with both staying and going-if we leave, we let a country possibly commit suicide with deep sectarian division and violence-i honestly feel like either the Sunnis or the Shia will become powerful and organized enough to overthrow this new "democracy" and thrust themselves into power in a coup, and possibly begin a genocide of the less powerful sect.

On the other hand, if we don't leave, we're spending billions of dollars that we could be spending to take care of our own needy populations, and losing men all the while.

Would we rather stay and try and brace for the hypothetical or pull out and face the imminent?

Iraq will be tri-sected. Based on who lives where it's the only rational solution: Kurds up here, Shi'ia over here Sunnis over there. A little something for everyone.

This is what happens when people try out there 'theories' on the world. I remember Halberstam saying something like that in his vietnam opus "The Best and The Brightest". The same mistakes were made. The neocons have a LOT to answer for, but unless some of them get hauled into the courtrooms nothing will ever be done as long as the Shrub keeps giving them Presidential Medals of Freedom when they leave.

How does that guy SLEEP at night?

And after all this s*it we still can't get the truth as to WHY the invasion was executed, both sides spread their own manure.

If I were 18 and college-bound I'd be looking at schools like the U. of Guelph, MacGill or the University of British Columiba.

Even Murtha said it's time to consider a draft. That's a head's up that this is REAL.

Two of my coworkers have done double tours in the Sandbox.

The saddest thing is that on 9/12/01 we in the US had most of the civilized world in our corner. We blew it.

I think this is the most civil thread we have ever had on LetsRun.

I agree it is a mess either way, and I do think there will be a draft if we continue to remain in Iraq.

They are pulling the reserves 6 months early now, and the ones who are due a trip home have been waiting far too long past their date of departure.

The signs are all there, I feel for you young guys. If I were you, I would clean up my act and make good grades, it may be your only saving grace.

I am only 28 though, so it could be me as well... I am very able bodied.

Don't worry about a draft just yet. I have a feeling that the Shrub will announce an exit timetable right after Super Tuesday. The GOP will look at the polls regarding the Dems and their "nominee" and will start pulling troops to screw the Dems "If Elected I Will Bring The Troops Home" strategy. It would also allow them to claim "victory" because they will declare that the Iraqis can now self-govern and if they F it up it is all Maliki's fault.

Whatever principles the adminstration clings to will go out the window if they think the GOP will lose the White House.

Funny how none of the right-wing blowhards who have their panties in a twist over Pelosi's presence in Syria have anything negative to say about the Republicans that are there along with her. She's there as part of a congressional delegation and yet no one is saying di*k about anyone other than Pelosi. The Baker commission recommended opening up talks with other nations in the region, especially Syria as a means of getting the region stabilized. Now that someone is actually acting upon that recommendation instead of crapping on it like the Shrub, they're suddenly undermining our efforts in the Middle East?! Do these people actually have brain cells with which to think before they open their cakeholes? With military action obviously working so well, why bother with something so quaint as diplomacy?

collegal wrote:

... I take moral issue with both staying and going...

you take moral issue? what the hell does that mean? say what you mean, you are sitting the fence and don't know what to do.

look, regardless of the level of violence there, there is an end in sight. an insurgency cannot simply continue indefinitely, it has to eat too.

once we committed to invading and toppling this government on a basis that was probably illegal, there is no more "moral issue". we are committed and responsible. we cannot shrink from our responsibility or the problem will only get worse. and not just for defenseless iraqis (whom we put in harms way) but for us. do you really think we can withdraw and that's the end of the problem?

saursoor wrote:

collegal wrote:

... I take moral issue with both staying and going...

you take moral issue? what the hell does that mean? say what you mean, you are sitting the fence and don't know what to do.

look, regardless of the level of violence there, there is an end in sight. an insurgency cannot simply continue indefinitely, it has to eat too.

once we committed to invading and toppling this government on a basis that was probably illegal, there is no more "moral issue". we are ********committed and responsible. we cannot shrink from our responsibility or the problem will only get worse. and not just for defenseless iraqis (whom we put in harms way) but for us. do you really think we can withdraw and that's the end of the problem?

**"COMMITTED AND RESPONSIBLE" TO WHOM? OUR TROOPS OR TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT?