Suicide Prevention Research

Do you tell him stop it's not worth it and try to convince him to live or tell him to go through with it and not suffer??

How good is your 8th man?

Err, but in all seriousness, I would encourage him to talk to a professional (i.e. therapist).

reary wrote:

How good is your 8th man?

Err, but in all seriousness, I would encourage him to talk to a professional (i.e. therapist).

Let's assume:

the guy has been in and out of therapy all of his highschool and college life. He basically distrusts all therapists now, says he has been 10 different therapists and none of them helped. He has been on 4 different antidepressants and they just make it worse.

D3 Runner wrote:

Let's assume:

the guy has been in and out of therapy all of his highschool and college life. He basically distrusts all therapists now, says he has been 10 different therapists and none of them helped. He has been on 4 different antidepressants and they just make it worse.

Sounds like an attention seeker to me.

if he was really gonna kill himself he wouldn't have told you

don't most people who commit suicide tell someone within their last 24 hours?

Who gives a shit if he tells the world? Either he's serious and he'll kill himself or he's not serious and is just wanting attention.

Personally, I hope he does it. There's enough losers running around. If you think your life truly is that bad...it probably is! So get out.

no matter who it is...you obviously get him help.

With your response, I’m not surprised why this kid, as well as many other hurting people is thinking of ending his life. For Gd sake, what kind of compassion do you have in our heart? You are so flippant and supercilious to this incredibly serious situation. (Unless compassion is a quality, you do not hold dear to your own sensibilities as a human being.)He may have been misdiagnosed. He may have seen doctors that were unaware and potentially prescribed incorrect treatment, the reason for his despair. Depression may be misdiagnosed. Bipolar2 disorder symptoms are confused with depression because it has more depressive manifestations than manic ones. If this is the case, anti depressants, makes depressive episodes deeper and more intense. Much of the data suggest SSRI’s can deepen and further destabilize some one with bipolar2 disorder. ( 1.)Even if this kid does not run again, to call him a loser implies he will not have anything positive to give others in the future. I am afraid this is not something you could know. Even so, to make light of this situation, (assuming you wouldn’t really want this kid to kill himself, that you are attempting to be funny, light or just playing devil’s advocate), is really in my opinion a very poor judgment ( even for Let’s Run). Your words, as insensitive as they may be, have power. Please exercise good judgment when choosing your words. Again, in my opinion, our community needs positive energy from each other in order to have a community that is of considerable value. If you cannot help, than please be quiet. 1. Dr. Phelps article ( depression, bipolar II – treatment www.psycheducation.org/depression/03_treatmeny.html)

Pap Smeared wrote:

Who gives a shit if he tells the world? Either he's serious and he'll kill himself or he's not serious and is just wanting attention.

Personally, I hope he does it. There's enough losers running around. If you think your life truly is that bad...it probably is! So get out.

Get the guy to some help. At minimum, report to team or other school officials and ask them to get him help.

The rest of you, take life seriously.

UK COPS CONSIDER CHARGES CHATROOM USERS FOR INCITING SUICIDE About 100 Internet chatroom users who witnessed a British man kill himself online, including some who allegedly incited him to hang himself, were being traced by detectives this past weekend to be questioned over their roles in the cyber suicide. The death has raised concerns that some Internet forums encourage people to take their lives.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21445333-2703,00.html

I disagree with the attention seeking assumption. It is often suggested that attempted suicide, if unsuccessful, is a "cry for help" (similar to or the same as "attention seeking"). But I suspect it is also likely that in such cases the person simply lacked the guts to carry it out, or perhaps was just unlucky.

But when someone discusses thoughts of suicide with a friend (presumably a close friend) he is probably seriously discussing his feelings. His reason for having the discussion is probably not as simple as trying to find reasons to live, but by having the discussion I think he implicitly acknowledges this possibility (and in fact I suspect suicide is very unlikely in such cases).

I have felt this at times. I never really thought I would kill myself, but I did often think I'd rather not live. As it is usually despair about relationships, loss of identity, worries about the future, and other serious concerns which lead to depression I have found it useful to try to enjoy simpler things in life: no need to worry if you are achieving anything, just so long as you can appreciate things, laugh, have a positive outlook.

Other worthwhile things to try are to work towards a goal, such as studying, running, or helping others.

I've heard statistics like 10-20% of people contemplate suicide, so I don't think it is really that unusual.

Tim Whatley wrote:

I suspect it is also likely that in such cases the person simply lacked the guts to carry it out, or perhaps was just unlucky.

Man, if you're a big enough loser to think about suicide, how big of a loser must you be to fail even at that?!

D3 Runner wrote:

Hypothetical Question: one of your teamates comes up to you and tells you he is contemplating suicide. He says that his life is horrible, and that though it may get better in the future, it's just not worth it now, in fact it is so bad he would rather be dea. This dude is your 7th man on xc and doesn't score in track, not that that matters. What do you do?

This way he can't commit suicide.

leehamster wrote:

UK COPS CONSIDER CHARGES CHATROOM USERS FOR INCITING SUICIDE About 100 Internet chatroom users who witnessed a British man kill himself online, including some who allegedly incited him to hang himself, were being traced by detectives this past weekend to be questioned over their roles in the cyber suicide. The death has raised concerns that some Internet forums encourage people to take their lives.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21445333-2703,00.html

I read the article. Pretty crazy stuff. I seem to remember a poster on letsrun discussing his suicide contemplation sometime in the last few years (it was probably bogus, but that's not the point). There were several people who posted with comments like the article discussed. It is sad to know that there are jerks out there who would egg a suicidal person on. People like Pap Smeared continue living in a dreamworld in which words posted on an internet forum are not public and/or hurful.

Most of the people that talk about suicide are the most selfish people in the world. It's all about them. Woe is me. My life sucks. Well parts of everyone's life sucks. I have no sympathy for people that either talk about killing themselves or actually do kill themselves. F u c k them.

They got what they wanted. Now the rest of us can go on, live our lives, be productive and not have these selfish losers bringing us down. I don't have time to deal with that stupid shit.[/quote]

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Too bad, you feel that way. Someone who thinks about suiside, attempts or does it suffers greater than the capacity for him or her to cope. It’s not fun to have the state of mind that would make one resort to this last effort, that may eradicate intolerable pain. In the process taking away all those he or she loves and knows.

You do not understand if you write such callous words. If you understood, you would be singing a different tune.

No one can fake compassion. You would have had to live a life and suffer greatly so that you would be able to recognize the f***ing hurt and fear for the ones you easily condemn.

That is sad, very sad to know a fellow human being could feel so callous to another human. The person you condemn may be the one to save your own life some day if he or she was well.

I cannot make you feel or act any way by these words I write. People are all different, but I hold onto the hope that most human beings posses the quality of a warm heart, love and want to be loved and if that person believes it is worth living that way will be more positive ( or at least remain quite ) to those that suffer.. Maybe you may realize this one day.

some of the attention seeking ones probably arent that (of course, some are). for example, a lot of people who attempt suicide have mental health problems, right? here we had someone with schizophrenia lay down on the hospital road (10 mph limit) and people thought he was attention seeking. next week he lay down on a normal road and died. people didn't understand that. likewise, people trying to OD on vitamin tablets. sometimes they truly mean to die.

about "most of the people that talk about suicide are the most selfish people in the world. It's all about them. Woe is me. My life sucks. Well parts of everyone's life sucks. I have no sympathy for people that either talk about killing themselves or actually do kill themselves. F u c k them"

if someone has such a bad experience of living their life they want to die and they think death would be a better option than life, it's kind of selfish to make them carry on living for other people. they're the one who has to live that life. i know after hearing some stories of childhood abuse why people in their teens might think death was better than what they were currently trying to deal with.

I wish more homosexuals would contemplate suicide.

track chick wrote:

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if someone has such a bad experience of living their life they want to die and they think death would be a better option than life, it's kind of selfish to make them carry on living for other people. they're the one who has to live that life. i know after hearing some stories of childhood abuse why people in their teens might think death was better than what they were currently trying to deal with.

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Selfishness is a difficult concept to get a grasp on. All acts are selfish if you consider them based on the confines of one’s subjective worldview. The confusion is the net affect we (others experience from an individual’s action).

A nun, peace corp. worker, or anyone else demonstrating selfless acts still posses the sense of selfish intention to act selflessly.

The point is, if someone is suffering, if another person can make the other that suffers feel better, and then perhaps the sufferer would get past the difficult part of his or her life. To dissuade someone from suicide is objectively a compassionate act and would hope our community could see the merit in this. Unless you believe human life in general is as disposable as a toothbrush. People’s looking out for each other is something a community requires for all people to feel good.

yes, i agree with that. what i mean is that if someone who wants to die is selfish, someone who wants them to stay alive (although their experience of life is negative and something they don't want) is probably being selfish too.