I heard Joe Vigil make a comment at a coaching clinic that he thought cross training was fine...for weaker minds.
He was commenting on another coach's comment that doing less running was actually doing more good, ala the Sebastian Coe 40 mile weeks.
I heard Joe Vigil make a comment at a coaching clinic that he thought cross training was fine...for weaker minds.
He was commenting on another coach's comment that doing less running was actually doing more good, ala the Sebastian Coe 40 mile weeks.
Except for the fact that Coe was as high as 100 mpw for substantial amounts of time?
Coe often didn't log anything that was over 6 minute pace, and there were quite a few other random things that he excluded for whatever reasons. He certainly did plenty of stints of high mileage during his career.
Don't start with the Coe did 100 per week b.s. If only for the fact that Coe/Martin wrote a definitive text on the subject, they are hardly going to base the book on a false premise. Coe did run doubles including doubles the day before races sometimes, but the simple fact is that he often only ran 50 per week. However, when one workout is 7x800 in 2:04-2:08 with 2 min rest you don't need a 10 mi jog in the morning to be fit.Finally, there is a huge difference between an 800/1500 training and Meb's, so don't confuse the issues.
The reality is that he did do more than 40 miles per week, but many U.S. High School coaches hung on to one little bit of information about Coe, and that was that he ran 40 miles in a week. It was taken totally out of context like most "week in the life of training log" information is by those that don't bother to learn the sport.
My local High School had a stud of an 8th grader comming up and the track coach was gushing to me how he would coach the kid with 40 mile weeks just like Coe ran. I asked him if he realized that Coe was running 20 of those 40 miles at 5K race pace or faster. I told him that he should at least get Martin's book and read it to see the entire training cycle, including the higher weekly miles run as preparation for the faster 40 mile weeks.
another canuck wrote:
Don't start with the Coe did 100 per week b.s. If only for the fact that Coe/Martin wrote a definitive text on the subject,
Sebastian Coe himself is the definitive source on this subject.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=884832&page=0For those who think that "Martin" is just making up what he said, there was a letter in Track&Field News a few yearas back from Peter Coe. I don't think that he tossed out any specific numbers, but he said that Seb trained a lot more than people seem to have thought and that they paid much more attention to aerobic development than people seemed to believe.
But the tales of Coe's success coming off of only 40-50 a week will live on because there are so many people who want to believe that's all you need to do.
FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
That's not from the horses mouth, thats from a letsrun.com poster!!! I wouldnt trust that guy if my life depended on it. Marius Bakken has read Seb Coe's training log, and "from the horses mouth" has told me that he never did mileage like that.
RUBISH!!!!!!
No, Meb. continues to run most of his mileage in singles (usually a solid 1.5 hours each morning) and then goes on the bike in the afternoon. This was as recently as the New York Marathon in 2006 and in 2005 also he mostly always ran singles, and then cross trained in the afternoon.
ghost
HRE "But the tales of Coe's success coming off of only 40-50 a week will live on because there are so many people who want to believe that's all you need to do."
I think 40-50miles of hard quality work around race pace is much harder than say, 80-90miles of jogging for most of the week.
Maybe you have it the other way around, maybe people want to believe all you have to run is mileage so that they dont have to do the intense hard running.
Everyone is different what is optimal for one person is not for another. My "Sweet spot" is 70-80 miles per week on singles...believe it or not with one day off a week. I have done the 50 mpw of all quality and the 120 mile weeks, but a 10-12 mile day is what fits me best. But that's me. So the dude who says what is optimal for one is not optimal for another was right on!
Maybe we shouldn't be comparing 800/1500 runners while trying to make a point about Meb.
Meb would have been no threat to Coe in a 1500 just like Coe would have been no threat to Meb in a 10k.
Maybe. But we still have Coe's father writing that his son was up in that 80-90 range. But thanks for proving my point.
ghost wrote:
No, Meb. continues to run most of his mileage in singles (usually a solid 1.5 hours each morning) and then goes on the bike in the afternoon. This was as recently as the New York Marathon in 2006 and in 2005 also he mostly always ran singles, and then cross trained in the afternoon.
ghost
trust me, this is incorrect.
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