Assume all the names (Meb, Abdi, Culp, Ritz, Torres). I'd take Abdi, Ritz, Torres then Hall. Abdi's awesome. Ritz has 13:15 speed just from last year and newly developed strength and non-injured training. In a close race I think he'd finish ahead of Hall. Torres is underrated and has outkicked Goucher in a 1500 before.
Also even with the equivalency charts, does anyone think that Hall was ready to pop a sub 27:00 10K? Remember that not too long before his 20K, he was running 13:30 5K's.
Wow, an analysis for the ages. Yeah, that 13:30 is so relevant now. How could everyone have forgotten?
Hall would most likely man-handle all of them.
Teg for the win!
who would win wrote:
Assume all the names (Meb, Abdi, Culp, Ritz, Torres). I'd take Abdi, Ritz, Torres then Hall. Abdi's awesome. Ritz has 13:15 speed just from last year and newly developed strength and non-injured training. In a close race I think he'd finish ahead of Hall. Torres is underrated and has outkicked Goucher in a 1500 before.
Also even with the equivalency charts, does anyone think that Hall was ready to pop a sub 27:00 10K? Remember that not too long before his 20K, he was running 13:30 5K's.
Wow...that's pretty much the worst analysis I've seen on here. Congrats.
mamo walde's brother wrote:
Wow, an analysis for the ages. Yeah, that 13:30 is so relevant now. How could everyone have forgotten?
Yea it is relevant when it comes to seeing how he'll do for a 10K. He ran a season 5K PR 13:28 on 7/22/06, then ran his 20K American Record only 2.5 months later. Then 3 months after he runs his 59:43 13.1. So 5.5 months following his 13:28, he can double his 5K season's best into a 10K, like some claim?? Hall's found his distance, instead of improving by record proportions within a few months. I think he would've run a great 13.1 during last XC season, when he won USATF's.
He ran around 13:16 or so in 2005.
What are you trying to say about Ryan Hall?
poool wrote:
He ran around 13:16 or so in 2005.
What are you trying to say about Ryan Hall?
That Hall's success is mostly from finding his distance. I don't think he's about to pop a sub 27:00 10K because of a half-marathon to 10K equivalency chart. His PR's 13:16 from 18 months ago, with his times otherwise ranging from 13:22-13:40. His 13:28 was reasonably close to his 20K AR. Plus he showed that great 12K XC strength last winter which makes me think he would've popped a great half-marathon then as well. His success is from finding his distance, not because he suddenly can run 2 2006 seasonal 5K PR's back to back.
who would win wrote:
That Hall's success is mostly from finding his distance. I don't think he's about to pop a sub 27:00 10K because of a half-marathon to 10K equivalency chart.[/quote]
We'll find out who's right when Hall runs the Cardinal 10K 3 weeks before his London Marathon, which Ray Flynn's calling a "hard tune-up race." So no excuses that Hall's taking it easy. Because Hall's a great half-marathoner doesn't mean he's now suddenly able to double his 5K pace on the track 5 months after outdoors.
anyone who has ever broke 60 has broken 27. i doubt hall jumps the trend.
Here's the thing, also. Even if he doesn't break 27, this guy thinks that three other guys are going to run faster than Hall. Heck, if Hall runs 27:25 he at least will get second to Abdi. To think he could lose to Torres??? Seriously?
I think he could break 27 in the right race, but probably won't get in one anytime soon (though he definitely showed he can run alone in that half). If he runs a 10k before London he'll probably run 27:30ish and win pretty easy.
dfa wrote:
anyone who has ever broke 60 has broken 27. i doubt hall jumps the trend.
Anyone who's broken 27:00 was a sub 4:00 miler easily. Hall's run a few 1500's and miles the past couple of years and has plateau'd at 3:43 and 4:03. He had faster runners in those races as well. He was also gearing up for a fast mile, as below states. My point is, sub-27:00 is a tall order for a 4:02 miler.
http://www.mensracing.com/athletes/interviews/2006/ryanhall062306.htm(June 23, 2006)
"I have been doing more 1500-specific training than I had last year over the past three weeks or so...I’ll continue to do some 1500-specific workouts, such as 8 by 400 at 1500 goal pace. I really want to run a better 1500 time, because if I can’t run, say, a 3:38 or better, it doesn’t matter how strong I am, I will have trouble running under 13:00 [for 5K], and will eventually have to move up to the 10K or the marathon. Seeing where I am at over 1500 meters will be an important goal for this summer....improving my 1500 time is a big goal for this season."
The focus should be the American record well before a sub-27. As talented as Hall and Dathan are, I doubt we will see either of them go sub-13 or sub-27. Hall's eventual move to the marathon is probably a wise choice, though I wish he'd wait just a little longer, because the 10k AR is within reach.