Well everyone's been talking about Hall but apparently they didn't see how well Ritz ran in Edinbourg. He was right with Bekele most of the way (who I'm sure could run faster than 59:43), which makes me believe Ritz is in about 60:00 shape right now too. Too bad he wasn't in Houston today; I'm sure he would have given Hall a run for his money.
You are not really serious, are you??????
Troll.
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It sounded like he was serious what about this makes him a troll. Im sure Bekele could go sub 60 in a half. The only problem is he wont anytime soon cause good runners dont take to the road until tey are past peak
well remember that peak age for the longer distances is older than peak age for track distances.
Ummmm. Newsflash. Ritz lost. It was a race. Hall WON with an AR. I'm continually amazed at how little runners know about racing.
I still like ritz though for the fact that when he is healthy he is atleast always trying to race the best! Thats one of the reasons I am not a fan of road. The coarses are all diffrent and they are so long with so many of them that outside the trials or olympics and few other exceptions you are not going to get all the best guys in one race. I promise the race ritz was in had a more quality to 20 runners than the one Hall was in. Which would make the chances of getteing a good race a lot worse.
It also does not seem like it was much of a race for Hall he was so far ahead for so long he might as well of done it solo. And if you are right about people being better suited to run longer distances at older ages than say a 10k on the track then Hall is going to be a hell of a force when he is older than 23 or 24
ARE YOU SERIOUS? RITZ FINISHES 6TH BEHIND AN OVERWEIGHT BEKELE, AND YOU COMPARE IT TO ONE OF THE GREATEST PERFORMANCES IN UNITED STATES DISTANCE RUNNING HISTORY!!!!
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELF!!!
In 2005 Ritz ran 28:11 (4:32) at the USATF 10K Road Championships, then went on to run about the same at Edinburgh as he did this past weekend. Hall just ran within 2 seconds per mile of Ritz's 10K pace for OVER TWICE THE DISTANCE!!! Ritz could only have managed to rabbit for Hall today. Hall is on a whole 'nother planet than Ritz. This is not bashing Rizt's performances in any way, but Hall didn't just hit a home run - knocking it out of the park, he knocked it out of the city!
Hall just ran arguably the all-time greatest American distance performanc ever. And I'm one of those who like the fact that he isn't an African immigrant also.
Still, currently in the event he is probably only among the top 10-15 runners in the world.
Kennedy was solidly in the top 6-8 in the 5000 in 1996.
Sydney Maree was number 3 all-time timewise in the 5000 in 1985 to Moorcroft 13:00, Aouita 13:00 and Maree at 13:01. People seem to forget Maree's 5000 AR in this topic.
Hall has run some superfast times in mainly American races but now the next step is to see how he ranks in a a true world-class race.
And I don't necessarily think he would have automatically run a lot faster with better competition and pacing. Being in the lead in a big race is a tremendous adrenaline rush. You have nothing but positive aggressive thoughts.
I hate to call you a dufus but ... he just ran one of the 15 fastest times EVER for the event.
Does anyone have any idea as to HOW Hall ran as well as he did today? Cumulative training? Freak occurence?
I have to aggree with slaps. It is true that Hall ran a top time ever but it was on a road not as legit as a track time. Next compare the amount of elite runners who run track to that of road. The best road runners are old track runners who cant run as fast on the track as they used to, but there are a lot of track runners who retire instead of trying to become elite road runners.
All in all many more elite runners have tried to run fast 5ks and 10ks on the track than have tried to run fast half marathons
Ok I caught that his time is 10th best all-time, which would clearly put him in the top 10. However using the half-marathon as a race to rank this performance as best ever by an American isn't valid.
If all the best 10k runners were to race every year in a half-marathon I would reasonably expect all of the top 20 would break 1:00:00 in a flat course in perfect weather.
What I can't wait to see is Hall in the 10,000 this year. The AR is now very intriguine with Ritz and Hall as leading contenders. Meb seems to be totally focused on the marathon. Also don't forget Tegenkamp if he decides to give this a shot.
I wonder which direction Hall will go now. He ran back to back 10ks plus a 1200 in 28:20 pace. Sub 27:20 for him seems to be where he's at in a 10,000 right now. But 30:00 pace for a marathon, 18 seconds slower per mile, and he's at 2:06 for the marathon. There is no marathoner right now in America who I think is capable of that at the moment.
America has certainly come a long way in the distances these last few years from the bad era of the early-mid 1990's. Hall just ran back to back 28:20's and I recall some years when 28:20 would have been a top 5 yearly performance for an Amwerican nationally in the 10,000.
Bekele crushed that field by over 3/4s of a minute...with total ease...in basketball shorts. By 6.5k Ritz couldn't even see Bekele anymore. This can't be a serious question.
Bum wrote:
Ummmm. Newsflash. Ritz lost. It was a race. Hall WON with an AR. I'm continually amazed at how little runners know about racing.
Ummmm. Newsflash, lots of sh!tty runners WON local 5k's this weekend against inferior competition. Other newsflash, AR's are pretty much sh!t when compared to WRs. I'm amazed at how full of holes your logic is.
Now, that being said, Hall's performance today, smashed ANY of Ritz's performances. Not because he won the race, but because of the time. If Meb had won the race in 59:40, Hall's performance still would have smashed Ritz's performance. Comprende?
KnowItAll wrote:
Ummmm. Newsflash, lots of sh!tty runners WON local 5k's this weekend against inferior competition. Other newsflash, AR's are pretty much sh!t when compared to WRs. I'm amazed at how full of holes your logic is.
Now, that being said, Hall's performance today, smashed ANY of Ritz's performances. Not because he won the race, but because of the time. If Meb had won the race in 59:40, Hall's performance still would have smashed Ritz's performance. Comprende?
How about this logic...Ryan beat the olympic silver medalist for the marathon (not to mention a 27:13 10k runner) by almost 3 minutes, en route to running the NINTH fastest 1/2 time on an unaided course, solo, leading from the gun, less than 30 secs behind Tergat's PR and 48 secs behind Geb's seemingly anamoluos PR. Wise up, son...I agree with your second paragraph, but not your first. His logic was sound...Ryan Hall is now among the greatest of all time at this distance. This is one AR that is most certainly NOT "****." Comprende? USA is on the rise!