I agree. You're exactly right. Next time we'll probably find something on which we agree.
I agree. You're exactly right. Next time we'll probably find something on which we agree.
Penn and Teller stole this idea from a 14 year old!
I agree with Katie Lied, I think Walter is a dip.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't just go around signing things to get people out of my face.
"Sure, I'll sign that credit card application so you will quit harrassing me."
"Sure, I'll sign that legal document or this legal document. Who cares that I have no idea what it is about."
No, you don't just sign things without knowing what they are. Sure, they used verbal trickery, but anyone with half a brain woud have asked wtf she was blabbering on about.
People, especially these people, should know what they are doing.
I agree you could tak any section of a demographic and get the same results, because morons are everywhere.
Obviously, these people are morons, or have never taken chemistry. Actually, compared to the people Jay Leno interviews on the street, these people are probably geniuses. Let's face it, Americans are dumb. Ban any chemical compound and people will probably sign up.
test
I would have done anything for her. Anything she asked.
Agreed...hydrogen, along with oxygen, naturally is a diatomic molecule and "dihydrogen" is ridiculously redundant. It's either H2, or it's OH- or H+ ion. Go back to chemistry class.
yeah, we shouldn't be debating semantics here....the point was not that the chemical name was redundant--it's that people tend to get intellectually trapped by their ideologies. I'm sure most of those people were of above average intelligence, but they assumed (a common mistake we humans make) that just b/c they were at an ECO festival, that the petition was to ban a hazardous chemical.
Walter, I can appreciate your objection--however keep in mind that "verbal trickery" ( as you call it), is often used in science experiments which utilize humans as subjects (psych experiments mostly), to attempt to ilicit certain aspects of "human nature". It's quite simliar to the placebo effect--trick the mind into thinking something that is not real/rational. Hell, we all do that anyways every day!
walter wrote:
"I have a petition here to deport all Muslims."
Exactly. If she would have said, "I have petition here to ban all water," the reaction would have been different. That's exactly why it was duplicitous. She was trying to fool them. Call it a study of human nature if you want, but it is little more than verbal trickery.
Obviously, you're not going to agree with me, and I don't want to turn this into a Flagpole Willy, "I'm right and I'm not budging" scene so let's agree to disagree.
You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that. To each his/her own.
Katy Lied wrote:Your last sentence is exactly the point I made earlier. As to your idea that they signed simply to avoid being hassled, that's asinine. First of all, if someone with whom I want no contact talks to me, I keep going. I don't stop, look at what they are carrying, listen to them, and sign. Let me be clear -- I just keep walking. Secondly, do you think if the interviewer had said, "I have a petition here to deport all Muslims" that they would have signed it just to avoid being hassled? They eagerly attached themselves to some trendy feel good cause while having no idea what it was. It made them feel important.
walter,
Not all opinions are to be respected. When you've got one, if you know it is the right one, stand up and have some integrity. Nothing wrong about standing up for what you know to be correct.
KnowItAll wrote:
Obviously, these people are morons, or have never taken chemistry. Actually, compared to the people Jay Leno interviews on the street, these people are probably geniuses. Let's face it, Americans are dumb. Ban any chemical compound and people will probably sign up.
Americans once banned hydroxyethane.
The prank was to sign a petition. If a nice looking girl came up to me and asked me if I wanted to sign a petition to safe the Loch Ness, I'd sign it and ask her out.
She should of asked for $100 donations and see who really falls for it.
livestrong8421 wrote:
Agreed...hydrogen, along with oxygen, naturally is a diatomic molecule and "dihydrogen" is ridiculously redundant. It's either H2, or it's OH- or H+ ion. Go back to chemistry class.
Agree on redundancy all you want. The fact is that water, amongst chemists IS called dihydrogen monoxide. Right or wrong, it IS.
Paddytheirishman wrote:
Human nature? what? that its easy to deceive otherwise well intentioned people with half truths and a blonde in a bikini?
WOW what a valuable lesson. Thanks for sharing.
Not.
Look, dumbf***, you were wrong about the chemistry of the matter and you were wrong about the prefix being "redundant". So now we have established that you don't listen very well and don't know shit about chemistry.
The point of the exercise wasn't that it is easy to "fool" people it was that people, particularly self-righteous environmentalists don't pay attention. A blonde in a bikini isn't going to do much to fool a heterosexual woman either so now you're grasping at straws.
Finally if you had actually LISTENED to the words she said you would understand there were no half truths whatsoever so now you're just making shit up.
The pompous idiots were not only too stupid (like you) to figure out what was being talked about, they were too pompous and self righteous (like you) to even ASK. All they had to say was "What is dihydrogen monoxide" and they would have known. One would hope that someone with a lick of common sense (unlike you) would actually ask a question or two about a petition before signing it.
But not them. And not you, apparently.
Borophil wrote:
livestrong8421 wrote:Agreed...hydrogen, along with oxygen, naturally is a diatomic molecule and "dihydrogen" is ridiculously redundant. It's either H2, or it's OH- or H+ ion. Go back to chemistry class.
Agree on redundancy all you want. The fact is that water, amongst chemists IS called dihydrogen monoxide. Right or wrong, it IS.
I call it water
well... wrote:
Paddytheirishman wrote:Why not be completely disingenuous and call it DHMO or Hydric Acid.
Stupid unoriginal unfunny stunt.
Because water is not an acid water is neutral
Google hydric acid, Einstein.
"baning"????
How about "banning".
agreed, it was stupid and inaccurate and served no purpose.
ummmm.... wrote:
Paddytheirishman wrote:The Di is redundant when referring to hydrogen compounds. Why not be completely disingenuous and call it DHMO or Hydric Acid.
Stupid unoriginal unfunny stunt.
Really is that why H2S is commonly referred to as dihydrogen sulfide?
H2S is rarely if ever called dihydrogen sulphide, it is almost always referred to as hydrogen sulphide, the Di part is for all intents and purposes, redundant.
Katy Lied wrote:
First, these people think they "get it" while others don't..... Secondly, it's a very short step from believing that if you're amongst the sage and annointed, you have not only a right, but an obligation, to tell others how to live.
Hmmmm.......sounds an awful lot like you are describing the "religious right", huh?? People like our president, after all, talk to God regularly, and the religious impulse is to spread the word and convert others to one's cult or creed, right? So, are you offended when the religious right tell "others how to live" (such as telling homosexuals they are sinning against God) ??
Katy Lied wrote: As to your other point, which is that almost everyone slips into the herd mentality, you're right. This example happened to be enviros, but it could have just as easily been jimmied toward gun owners, MADD, foster parents, or dolphin lovers.
Interesting examples. You went fof the handle at environmentalists, but according to you it had nothing to do with their belief system necessarily(wanting to save/improve the environment), just their "herd mentality" and ignorance and arrogance. So you list others that might exhibit those same qualities that you detest and you leave out the example par excellence: religious fundamentalists. Any reason why left them out, and might not be so offended by THEIR "herd mentality", THEIR willingness to tell others how to live, and THEIR self-righteousness?? Or maybe you are, and for some reason left out that obvious group.
they should have said dihydorgen oxide. di hydrogen= h2. odixe = o
thus h2o