title 9 does it again, say goodbye to another cross and track program

jesus...they just hired a new coach didn't they?

that is the university where the great american hero kurt angle graduated from.

yeah, he's at california U of PA now, w/buddy roger kingdom...guess they're really trying to reel some kids in

It is easy to use Title IX as an excuse but it was never intended to be used to as an excuse to drop sports. That is the administration\'s choice.

plug wrote:

yeah, he's at california U of PA now, w/buddy roger kingdom...guess they're really trying to reel some kids in

cal hired that guy away from clarion in august...who was his replacement?

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It is easy to use Title IX as an excuse but it was never intended to be used to as an excuse to drop sports. That is the administration's choice.

hmmmm. well the administration wouldn't find it so easy to make that choice without title 9. it was clearly intended to do just that. How else would schools meet the standard??? cut football?

It's a cop-out, a scapegoat, a red herring. They cut the program to save money or spend the money that had been spent on the program elsewhere. Of course they'd make the same choice and just as easily in the absence of Title IX, they'd just have to misdirect blame to another source or, in a perfect world, actually come clean that their fundraising has a shortfall compared with their budget.

Damn, that really sucks. They ran very well this year in Cross. Nobody expected them to finish 3rd at PSACs

Maybe we have to develop a club system like they have in Britain.

I was researching this issue in my Sport in Society class. It's quite interesting that so much animosity is directed toward title 9, yet it is not the reason that men's sports are being dropped. Any school with a men's football program spends a vastly disproportionate amount of money and scholarships relative to other men's programs. When women's sports must receive the same funds as men's sports, very little is left for the men after football takes its cut. I run at a D1 NCAA school with a respectable track program and large team. I believe that we have 12 full scholarships to divide between field, distance, sprints, multi, you name it. Some spectacular athletes may get 1/4 or 1/2 a scholarship or just books or something gay like that. Meanwhile the football team has upwards of 60 scholarships and give ONLY full scholarships. Blame the football players that come just to play and could care less about school, not the women that deserve equality.

title 9 wrote:

When it actually effects a divison 1 program that people actually care about?

Northwestern, Bowling Green, West Virginia, Western Michigan, etc., etc.

maximus wrote:

I was researching this issue in my Sport in Society class. It's quite interesting that so much animosity is directed toward title 9, yet it is not the reason that men's sports are being dropped. Any school with a men's football program spends a vastly disproportionate amount of money and scholarships relative to other men's programs.

Since everyone knows that football isn't being cut (it's a constant), the reason that these sports are being eliminated is Title IX. Title IX, as currently interpreted, requires equivalent $$ and participation between men and women. Since women do not participate in sports in such large percentages as men (I'll leave debate as to why for another thread), men's participation MUST be reduced to meet the requirement. While it would be great to reduce the number of college football players by 50%, that isn't happening any time soon. So the result of Title IX is elimination of "minor" sports.

JMU?

The headline:

France, Germany, Italy, China, and the rest of the world officially THANK the US for not being able to field a mens Olympic Team in 2016.

Since Title 9, no other sports are now offered except for football and basketball on the men's side. All other sports have been cut so women can have equal access to athletic funding. Since there is little, if any, interest at all in viewing women's sports, the overall pool of funds continues to drop. All schools have now cut gymnastics, athletics (track and field for you US people), volleyball, swimming, and every other sport which is normally contested at the Olympic Games.

Thanks to all who have helped make the US the laughing stock of the world.

...before you make a judgment. There is a lot of good info about title ix on this website. I recommend looking at the powerpoint presentation. Notice that schools without football are in compliance with title ix. It's pretty interesting.

http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/ge/

Is it equal that womens track gets 18 scholarships while men can only have 12.6. Have you looked at the sport sponsorship numbers, I think you will see a disproportionate amount of different opportunities given to women at the ncaa level. In fact I think that women have it much better than men in the ncaa now.

The proportionality prong of title ix is the issue. You state that Title IX is not the reason why mens sports are being dropped and then cite the law right after it. I understand your point about football spending all this money, but the law is the reason that the mens teams are cut.

Until there is some reform of the law or reform in the way football is counted, or maximums allowed for football then there will continue to be more opportunitis for women than men in our sport and other sports.

dukerdog wrote:

title 9 wrote:

When it actually effects a divison 1 program that people actually care about?

Northwestern, Bowling Green, West Virginia, Western Michigan, etc., etc.

add Ball State

Maximus; The whole problem is the notion that women must recieve the same funding as men. Why must this be? Men and women are not equaly represented in many facets of life. Social engineering is wrong. More men enjoy participating in sports than do women. Therefore more money should be spent on mens programs. When you have to scour the campus to find women to give full scholarships to(in sports they have never even participated in) so that you can comply with title 9. You know something is wrong.

rukidding wrote:

...before you make a judgment. There is a lot of good info about title ix on this website. I recommend looking at the powerpoint presentation. Notice that schools without football are in compliance with title ix. It's pretty interesting.

http://bailiwick.lib.uiowa.edu/ge/

where is the powerpoint on that site? could you include the link to that?