Top schools have multiple guys running 3:55-3:58. They don't give scholarships for 4:05. They may not even have a spot for a 4:05 due to roster limits.
Top schools have multiple guys running 3:55-3:58. They don't give scholarships for 4:05. They may not even have a spot for a 4:05 due to roster limits.
This is a bit too aggressive. Roughly only 2-5 hs boys have recently been breaking 4:00 in hs in each recruiting class. These kids can all get full scholarships, unless they choose to take less to go to their favorite school.
Up to 4:10 still going to decent programs.
These kids then hopefully develop to 3:55 guys in college.
A 4:20 kid just also got a roster spot at Portland.
Check out the 2026 recruiting thread and you can see a list of all commits and their times.
Important to know is that most recruiting is already finished by November of senior yr, based off jr xc and track results.
Top schools aren't giving money for 4:05. And some are cutting faster guys.
Poster specifically asked about the bottom 95% of schools, not the top 5%.
Assume 300 D1 schools.
Top 5% is top 15 programs.
So poster asking about schools 16-300.
I understand that roster limits makes life tough, but I have to believe at least top 20 distance runners can snag an athletic scholarship. There are then plenty of partial scholarships below that. It for sure happens on girls side. (Balance out football)
If it's worse than this please enlighten us. You can see the class of 2026 recruiting thread. Are all of these announcements just kids getting roster spots and heading to their choice school as walkons?
45 guys on the track team. Historically 12.6 scholarships. 4:05 is way below the mean of the 45 athletes on the track team across all events. If the 4:05 gets money as the 10th best distance runner, then the 5th best sprinter gets nothing and the 5th best hurdles gets nothing and the 5rh best thrower gets nothing. In fact, there wouldn't be money for the 4:02 guy. Mutiny would break out. Pull up a top team in TFRRS and look across all events.
I think the sweet spot for my kid might be a school that's not an athletic powerhouse but solid academically. I'll take a look at that recruiting thread - thanks for the tip. Any schools off the top of your head seem to fit that bill? Where a 4-low (as in 4:05-4:15 maybe) kid would get some $$$?
Of course I have no idea if he's going to develop into a low-4 kind of miler, but he's showing some talent and has expressed (on his own, without me saying anything) a desire to get down as close to 4:00 by the time he's a senior. He's 14 right now but will be turning 15 soon.
I think the sweet spot for my kid might be a school that's not an athletic powerhouse but solid academically. I'll take a look at that recruiting thread - thanks for the tip. Any schools off the top of your head seem to fit that bill? Where a 4-low (as in 4:05-4:15 maybe) kid would get some $?
Of course I have no idea if he's going to develop into a low-4 kind of miler, but he's showing some talent and has expressed (on his own, without me saying anything) a desire to get down as close to 4:00 by the time he's a senior. He's 14 right now but will be turning 15 soon.
Coaches don't recruit based on 1 pr. A 4:05 guy with a 54 open 400 is very different from a 4:05 guy with a 50-flat, and some good xc results. Money is tough to get now from top schools. The best way is to get noticed (if you aren't running top 10 national times) is to be versatile across different distances (xc and track), and show a high upside. Good 400 speed is probably the best indicator of the later.
I think the sweet spot for my kid might be a school that's not an athletic powerhouse but solid academically. I'll take a look at that recruiting thread - thanks for the tip. Any schools off the top of your head seem to fit that bill? Where a 4-low (as in 4:05-4:15 maybe) kid would get some $?
Of course I have no idea if he's going to develop into a low-4 kind of miler, but he's showing some talent and has expressed (on his own, without me saying anything) a desire to get down as close to 4:00 by the time he's a senior. He's 14 right now but will be turning 15 soon.
Coaches don't recruit based on 1 pr. A 4:05 guy with a 54 open 400 is very different from a 4:05 guy with a 50-flat, and some good xc results. Money is tough to get now from top schools. The best way is to get noticed (if you aren't running top 10 national times) is to be versatile across different distances (xc and track), and show a high upside. Good 400 speed is probably the best indicator of the later.
OK, good to know! I'm totally new to this.
He only has 8th grade track results so far, obviously. I'm not sure what his best event will end up being, but he's shown indications of being primarily a 1500-5k specialist. That is, XC and mile seem about equivalent. Not sure if his 400 is as strong, but he hasn't really raced one yet. I don't think his speed isn't quite as good as a teammate who is a 400/800 specialist, but he beats that kid solidly at 1500 and XC 5k.
I think the sweet spot for my kid might be a school that's not an athletic powerhouse but solid academically. I'll take a look at that recruiting thread - thanks for the tip. Any schools off the top of your head seem to fit that bill? Where a 4-low (as in 4:05-4:15 maybe) kid would get some $?
Of course I have no idea if he's going to develop into a low-4 kind of miler, but he's showing some talent and has expressed (on his own, without me saying anything) a desire to get down as close to 4:00 by the time he's a senior. He's 14 right now but will be turning 15 soon.
Coaches don't recruit based on 1 pr. A 4:05 guy with a 54 open 400 is very different from a 4:05 guy with a 50-flat, and some good xc results. Money is tough to get now from top schools. The best way is to get noticed (if you aren't running top 10 national times) is to be versatile across different distances (xc and track), and show a high upside. Good 400 speed is probably the best indicator of the later.
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Wetmore was a fool to give Dathan Ritzenhein a full ride to Colorado with his laughable 55 sec 400 speed. And Penn State totally cleaned up with Slagowski's 48 second open 400 PR speed.
Call me a boomer but a 4:09 / 8:59 hs runner is just as likely to become as D1 xc all-american as a 4:01/ 8:47 guy. Also, screaming fast 400 times in high school are usually a sign of early maturity rather than college success.
OSU, ISU, BYU, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, and NAU swallow up pretty much all the premiere hs and international talent. Everyone else should recruiting on team fit and likelihood of actually sticking with the team for 4-5 years.
Coaches don't recruit based on 1 pr. A 4:05 guy with a 54 open 400 is very different from a 4:05 guy with a 50-flat, and some good xc results. Money is tough to get now from top schools. The best way is to get noticed (if you aren't running top 10 national times) is to be versatile across different distances (xc and track), and show a high upside. Good 400 speed is probably the best indicator of the later.
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Wetmore was a fool to give Dathan Ritzenhein a full ride to Colorado with his laughable 55 sec 400 speed. And Penn State totally cleaned up with Slagowski's 48 second open 400 PR speed.
Call me a boomer but a 4:09 / 8:59 hs runner is just as likely to become as D1 xc all-american as a 4:01/ 8:47 guy. Also, screaming fast 400 times in high school are usually a sign of early maturity rather than college success.
OSU, ISU, BYU, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, and NAU swallow up pretty much all the premiere hs and international talent. Everyone else should recruiting on team fit and likelihood of actually sticking with the team for 4-5 years.
I mean, to be fair, the other guy cited "some good xc results" as well, which Ritzenhein obviously had.
I'm not sure my kid has world-beating talent but he has some potential. And the mental piece (motivation and determination) is definitely there. I think team fit and school fit are actually going to be the most important if he ends up having the times to be in the conversation for a scholarship. I think motivationally... if he knows that getting down to, say, 4:10 will open certain doors for him, I could see him working hard to get there.
Few different questions being asked and it doesn't like most of the replies so far answering them.
Want to get on to 95% of D1 schools? Probably sub 4:40 would at least get a walk on to less competitive programs. Want to get money? Less competitive schools would probably give some money to guys in the 4:25 range if they can bolster the average team gpa.
Few different questions being asked and it doesn't like most of the replies so far answering them.
Want to get on to 95% of D1 schools? Probably sub 4:40 would at least get a walk on to less competitive programs. Want to get money? Less competitive schools would probably give some money to guys in the 4:25 range if they can bolster the average team gpa.
I think the sweet spot for my kid might be a school that's not an athletic powerhouse but solid academically. I'll take a look at that recruiting thread - thanks for the tip. Any schools off the top of your head seem to fit that bill? Where a 4-low (as in 4:05-4:15 maybe) kid would get some $?
Of course I have no idea if he's going to develop into a low-4 kind of miler, but he's showing some talent and has expressed (on his own, without me saying anything) a desire to get down as close to 4:00 by the time he's a senior. He's 14 right now but will be turning 15 soon.
Coaches don't recruit based on 1 pr. A 4:05 guy with a 54 open 400 is very different from a 4:05 guy with a 50-flat, and some good xc results. Money is tough to get now from top schools. The best way is to get noticed (if you aren't running top 10 national times) is to be versatile across different distances (xc and track), and show a high upside. Good 400 speed is probably the best indicator of the later.
OTOH... I bet there aren't a lot of guys out there that run 4:05 that aren't better than 54 in the 400m. But if you did have a guy like that.... I bet he would have really good times at 3K, 5K and 10K because he would likely be really strong to manage a 4:05 off of that 54 quarter speed.
Top schools aren't giving money for 4:05. And some are cutting faster guys.
Poster specifically asked about the bottom 95% of schools, not the top 5%.
Assume 300 D1 schools.
Top 5% is top 15 programs.
So poster asking about schools 16-300.
I understand that roster limits makes life tough, but I have to believe at least top 20 distance runners can snag an athletic scholarship. There are then plenty of partial scholarships below that. It for sure happens on girls side. (Balance out football)
If it's worse than this please enlighten us. You can see the class of 2026 recruiting thread. Are all of these announcements just kids getting roster spots and heading to their choice school as walkons?
no, if you read closely, the OP actually "straddled." the headline is would 405 get you in 95%. but the text actually asks would an oregon or stanford type team give you money for 405. ie top 5%.
the OP's confusing post is actually generic. if you read it close he's asking would 405 get you in 95% of d1s. but then asking about schools in that top 5%. then asking about would it get you money. which you might read as about top 5%. or not.
Coaches don't recruit based on 1 pr. A 4:05 guy with a 54 open 400 is very different from a 4:05 guy with a 50-flat, and some good xc results. Money is tough to get now from top schools. The best way is to get noticed (if you aren't running top 10 national times) is to be versatile across different distances (xc and track), and show a high upside. Good 400 speed is probably the best indicator of the later.
OK, good to know! I'm totally new to this.
He only has 8th grade track results so far, obviously. I'm not sure what his best event will end up being, but he's shown indications of being primarily a 1500-5k specialist. That is, XC and mile seem about equivalent. Not sure if his 400 is as strong, but he hasn't really raced one yet. I don't think his speed isn't quite as good as a teammate who is a 400/800 specialist, but he beats that kid solidly at 1500 and XC 5k.
you know too much to feign ignorance.
8th grade is a bit early to be concerned with is my kid future d1 and where are the cutoffs. just enjoy school and track and see where he fits in soph year in HS. and the sort of 405 times you are lobbing around cannot be just trained and work rated. past a point god either hits you with a thunderbolt or not. getting out the whip hand on your kid to chase 405 is insane. i knew kids who rewrote our junior high record book then plateaued at like 425/high 16s.
you're also missing the "400" point. to me what he's getting at is the top HS distance kids as you keep progressing usually have solid varsity level 400 times in addition to their distance event times. high 40s/low low 50s. natural fast athletes. you can't teach that. you can't mileage that.
like at my HS the best 2 milers would be like 52-53 if you time trialed them in 400. won't be on mile relay or open quarter, but they could win a JV race and not finish last in a varsity heat. if you have that level speed but also the distance motor, it's easier to turn quick splits without immediately blowing up, as you aren't redlining running 60ish splits. a kid who runs 60 flat and tries to run 2 flat 800 or 4 flat mile pace would detonate, he's running full speed just to stay with a lap of that pace. he's cooked. so it matters how far you can get under that 60 and it be controlled not a sprint.