It doesn’t work that way. It’s physically impossible for 10.5 sprinter to run distance. They’re different types of athletes and no type of training changes that.
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The 100 hurdles would be tough because the distance between the barriers is optimal for a shorter stride. It would also require quite a bit of practice to develop the technique.
At my fittest I would've had the 600/800/1k/1500/mile/5k
My 3k PR was 8:09 and I never ran a track 10k but idk if I could've run 29 minutes honestly.
I definitely couldn't have come remotely close to the 400 and obviously not the short sprints.
I wasn't elite by any means, but that would be some range. I think someone like Clayton Murphy at his prime would be able to handle most of these as he was a great XC runner in HS but the sprint speed required really skews things in the wrong direction for the longer events. I can't think of anyone who could run 47 seconds that could also run 29 minutes for 10k
We need come to an agreement on this thread what some elite 800m men can do. I am not talking about Clayton Murphy, Hoppel. There are 161 men, all-time sub-1:44 800m men according to World Athletics. All performances are not available but can we agree, at least (10 to 20)% of sub-1:44 800m men are/were also sub-46.0 400m men. Once a man is capable of 45.99 400m, I am going to pencil him in for f.a.t. sub-10.49 100m.
If we agree at least 16 to 30-something sub-1:44 800m men were capable of sub-10.49 100m, how many from the same group were capable of sub-3:47.5 1500m? No argument the 170 lbs. plus sub-1:44 800m men would have a tremendous challenge racing 29-flat, 10000m but many sub-1:44 800m men weigh less than 150 lbs. Taoufik Makhloufi isn't going to come out of retirement to prove me correct but you guys know T Makhloufi would not have lost to peak Flo Jo, 100m to 400m. What happened to the Jim Ryun 44.xx 400m fans on here? [Jim Ryun never sprinted 44.xx 400m but posters five plus years ago on here stated he could.]
At my fittest I would've had the 600/800/1k/1500/mile/5k
My 3k PR was 8:09 and I never ran a track 10k but idk if I could've run 29 minutes honestly.
I definitely couldn't have come remotely close to the 400 and obviously not the short sprints.
I wasn't elite by any means, but that would be some range. I think someone like Clayton Murphy at his prime would be able to handle most of these as he was a great XC runner in HS but the sprint speed required really skews things in the wrong direction for the longer events. I can't think of anyone who could run 47 seconds that could also run 29 minutes for 10k
Webb has a 47.4 relay split and a sub 28 5k. Ovett has 47.5 400m(he was like 17) and 13:20 5k. The problem is always nobody runs 400m and almost nobody runs the 10k. Aouita with a sub 1:44 and a 27:26 was probably in the 47-48s range. But we will never know. Same with guys like Farah,bekele, skah and the rest. We all expect they are in the 48-49s range but who knows. Maybe some are closer to 47s. At the other end, a lot of 800m guys are doing 3:00 tempo runs for 25 mins. Could they do 29:00 in a race? Maybe…
Nijel Amos and Korir come to mind, we know they can both run the 400-1500 records, but the 100/200/5k/10k records are definitely in question.
I mean Korir and Amos both run sub 45, I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't be able to run at least a high 20.xx 200M on a good day and with good block training.
Korir runs 44.21, so he can AT LEAST run 20.7xx. There's no way you can run 44 low and not be able to crack 21
I actually disagree with the consensus, and think this COULD be done, certainly over a period of years, and maybe even on the same day.
Regardless, it would need lots of specific training for both the 100m and 10000m. Let’s assume we take a 1:42 guy (e.g. 2019 Brazier) and give him two years training all out to try to do both in one day.
Two points:
1) the 100m start is highly technique-based, and hence very trainable. 800m runners don’t train this, for good reason, but this would be his #1 focus for 2 years.
2) the 100m and 10k are so far apart that their training conflicts LESS than say the mile and marathon. Work on max speed one day and do a tempo the next. No hard intervals to wear him out, especially as he “only” needs to run 29:01 and doesn’t need to reach the edge of his potential.
Nijel Amos and Korir come to mind, we know they can both run the 400-1500 records, but the 100/200/5k/10k records are definitely in question.
I mean Korir and Amos both run sub 45, I'd find it hard to believe they wouldn't be able to run at least a high 20.xx 200M on a good day and with good block training.
Korir runs 44.21, so he can AT LEAST run 20.7xx. There's no way you can run 44 low and not be able to crack 21
Amos ran a 8:33. Basically struggles to run 2 miles at 10k pace. And of course is a doper.
Korir is in the same boat with less data. He is faster so I have no doubt he can get to the 100m with some practice but I am unaware of any distance results. And of course his training mate is a doper….
It doesn’t work that way. It’s physically impossible for 10.5 sprinter to run distance. They’re different types of athletes and no type of training changes that.
You are making this too complicated.
We need come to an agreement on this thread what some elite 800m men can do. I am not talking about Clayton Murphy, Hoppel. There are 161 men, all-time sub-1:44 800m men according to World Athletics. All performances are not available but can we agree, at least (10 to 20)% of sub-1:44 800m men are/were also sub-46.0 400m men. Once a man is capable of 45.99 400m, I am going to pencil him in for f.a.t. sub-10.49 100m.
If we agree at least 16 to 30-something sub-1:44 800m men were capable of sub-10.49 100m, how many from the same group were capable of sub-3:47.5 1500m? No argument the 170 lbs. plus sub-1:44 800m men would have a tremendous challenge racing 29-flat, 10000m but many sub-1:44 800m men weigh less than 150 lbs. Taoufik Makhloufi isn't going to come out of retirement to prove me correct but you guys know T Makhloufi would not have lost to peak Flo Jo, 100m to 400m. What happened to the Jim Ryun 44.xx 400m fans on here? [Jim Ryun never sprinted 44.xx 400m but posters five plus years ago on here stated he could.]
To run a 10.5 takes tremendous talent but it also requires a different type of talent to run 29:00. No amount of training will turn a sprinter into a distance runner. If a 29:00 runner could actually sprint 10.5, he could easily set WRs at the middle distances.
We need come to an agreement on this thread what some elite 800m men can do. I am not talking about Clayton Murphy, Hoppel. There are 161 men, all-time sub-1:44 800m men according to World Athletics. All performances are not available but can we agree, at least (10 to 20)% of sub-1:44 800m men are/were also sub-46.0 400m men. Once a man is capable of 45.99 400m, I am going to pencil him in for f.a.t. sub-10.49 100m.
If we agree at least 16 to 30-something sub-1:44 800m men were capable of sub-10.49 100m, how many from the same group were capable of sub-3:47.5 1500m? No argument the 170 lbs. plus sub-1:44 800m men would have a tremendous challenge racing 29-flat, 10000m but many sub-1:44 800m men weigh less than 150 lbs. Taoufik Makhloufi isn't going to come out of retirement to prove me correct but you guys know T Makhloufi would not have lost to peak Flo Jo, 100m to 400m. What happened to the Jim Ryun 44.xx 400m fans on here? [Jim Ryun never sprinted 44.xx 400m but posters five plus years ago on here stated he could.]
To run a 10.5 takes tremendous talent but it also requires a different type of talent to run 29:00. No amount of training will turn a sprinter into a distance runner. If a 29:00 runner could actually sprint 10.5, he could easily set WRs at the middle distances.
You have referred to male sub-11 100m men as sprinters two or three times on this thread. Male sub-11 100m men are sprinters in high school and maybe tri or quad D3 track & field meets.
There is a reason only a select number of elite 800m men are capable of task theorized by o.p. Even though I made the pool of likely men for the job, sub-1:44 800m men, maybe not.
Likely an elite 400/800 guy with a sprinting background or an elite 800m man who started off as a youth sprinter. I sense you correctly assume it would be difficult, impossible for Ingebrigten family types. You are correct. Since this thread has been up, I have looked for 800m men with my criteria: 46.0 400m and 3:47.5 1500m. Not easy to find. but I see guys who are close such as Billy Konchellah and Duane Solomon. I am sure if I could get access to 400m AND 1500m personal bests for all sub-1:44 800m men, I could find one.
An earlier poster already mentioned Brandon Johnson. He seems to fit your description pretty well. I just seriously doubt he could have ran a 10k in 29:00.
Bekele is the closest. He already has the male WRs for 2,000m indoors, 5,000m and 10,000m so the long stuff is easy. He can run marathons at the women's WR pace for 10,000m. For the short stuff he could train. He was able to run 11 when he was on the track. I'm sure he could of trained to take little more then half a second off if he focused on it.
Bekele is the closest. He already has the male WRs for 2,000m indoors, 5,000m and 10,000m so the long stuff is easy. He can run marathons at the women's WR pace for 10,000m. For the short stuff he could train. He was able to run 11 when he was on the track. I'm sure he could of trained to take little more then half a second off if he focused on it.
Ha, no. But maybe Bekele could have broken 12.0 FAT if he worked on his start.
Decathlete Curtis Beach ran 10.5 and ran a 3:59 1500 with little distance training. I think he could’ve run 3:49 but sub-29 would be a big stretch. Still I don’t know of anyone else with a legit 100m mark who could threaten the 1500m time.
I’m not familiar enough with sprinting to be sure about guys like Emmanuel Korir, but strongly leaning toward this cannot be done by one man.