He said in flotrack after the race that he had Farah's NR in his mind, but was out of the reach without a group (outside of his own pacers), and in some sections there was wind. Is he seeking 2:05 low in Valencia or Sevilla after Olympic Games?
20’warm-up (4 km) + 24 km in 1 hr 14’08” (av. 3’05”3) (6 km / 5 km / 4 km / 3 km / 2 km with rec. 1 km) in : 06km : 18’17” (3’03” / km) 18’17” 07km : 3’39” 21’56” 12km : 15’00” (3’00” / km) 36’56” 13km : 3’39” 40’35” 17km : 11’48” (2’57” / km) 52’23” 18km : 3’39” 56’02” 21km : 8’43” (2’54” / km) 1h04’45” 22km : 3’42” 1h08’27” 24km : 5’41” (2’50” / km) 1h14’09” (28 km)
39’26” regeneration (8 km) (36 km)
Sat, 6
1 hr 22’25” at 4’10” > 4’05” (20 km)
43’10” easy (10 km) (30 km)
Sun, 7
1 hr 37’ at 4’05” > 3’55”(24.3 km)
36’ regeneration (8 km) (32.3km)
Mon, 8
1 hr 18’44” in progression (22 km) (average : 3’34”7) [ 10 km in 37’48” + 11’00” + 10’27” + 9’53” + 9’36” ] (22 km)
40’44” at 4’10” > 4’ (10 km) (32 km)
Tue, 9
20’ warm-up (4 km) + 23 km in 1 hr 10’48” (av. 3’04”7) (2 km / 3 km / 4 km / 4 km / 3 km / 2 km rec. 1 km) in : 5’58” / 3’28” – 8’57” / 3’27” – 11’55” / 3’28” – 11’54” / 3’27” – 8’53” / 3’27” – 5’54” (4 + 23 km)
Rest (27 km)
Wed, 10
1 hr 29’ at 4’05” > 4’ (22 km)
43’17” very easy (10 km) (32 km)
Thu, 11
1 hr 28’ at 4’05” > 3’55” (22 km)
36’30” regeneration (8 km) (30 km)
Fri, 12
12 km (on treadmill) at 3’31” in 42’12” - (Rest 5’) - 5 km (on road) in 14’42” (12 + 5 km)
12 km at 3’26”5 in 41’19” - (5’ jogging) - 5 km in 14’45” (12 + 5 km) (34 km)
Sat, 13
1 hr 28’23” at 4’05” > 4’ (22 km) 40’ regeneration in the forest (8 km) (30 km)
Steve, why don't try to see the opposite of your boring idea : that when you train with the right progression DURING YEARS, the training plan is no more absurd and the recovery becomes normal. You are obsessed by the only idea you have in your mind : EPO for everything and for everybody, also for going in the toilet. Is not that you need a psycanalist ?
Steve, why don't try to see the opposite of your boring idea : that when you train with the right progression DURING YEARS, the training plan is no more absurd and the recovery becomes normal. You are obsessed by the only idea you have in your mind : EPO for everything and for everybody, also for going in the toilet. Is not that you need a psycanalist ?
How many seconds does EPO shave off a clean Kenyan 207 marathoners time?
You know my vision on EPO for EVERY ATHLETES (not only African) training and living in altitude for long time, if the methodology is correct. I think the performance can be bettered with steroids, because in natural way till now seems not possible to reach the same level of muscle strength and recovery from high level of fatigue (but more for short distances), but I don't believe in the effects of EPO, that can work very well REPLACING the effects of training, but not increasing this effect, if everything is made in proper way. The grow of intensity is connected with the grow of estension, and if training is developed in long time, THE INTERNAL LOAD doesn't change, while the performance improves.
So, coming back at the kenyan marathon runner of 2:07, my answer is : 2 min if his training is not at the best of his possibility because in this case EPO can add something under the aerobic point of view, nothing if his training is the best possible but 2:07 is his real limit.
And remember : the top athletes can increase the total blood volume of 25% (about 1 and half liter), who has the talent for running 2:07 only doesn't have this physiological ability. and for that reasom can benefit of EPO, when the real phenomen can run records in clean way.
First off, a huge thanks to Renato for sharing this with us! It's truly a blessing that you come to LRC to share this information with us.
MODS - When someone that real involvement in the sport, not gossip hounds and conspiracy nuts, shares with the message board, could you please mute those that seek to grab attention for themselves by sh**ting all over informative threads? They are free to start a counter thread with their own opinions and feelings. Let's not continue to scare off coaches and athletes offering real insights by allowing fools to belittle them simply for their own childish needs.
First off, a huge thanks to Renato for sharing this with us! It's truly a blessing that you come to LRC to share this information with us.
MODS - When someone that real involvement in the sport, not gossip hounds and conspiracy nuts, shares with the message board, could you please mute those that seek to grab attention for themselves by sh**ting all over informative threads? They are free to start a counter thread with their own opinions and feelings. Let's not continue to scare off coaches and athletes offering real insights by allowing fools to belittle them simply for their own childish needs.
100% agree. Maybe a thread/post can be simply locked?
Steve, he has made his position pretty clear in what he said.
If the athlete is not optimally trained (which by his standards would be most athletes) then they can gain 2 additional mins with epo.
If they are optimally trained by his standards and 207 is their genuine limit in those circumstances, then zero additional improvement.
Exactly what Renato would consider 'optimally trained' would be a books worth of information. But the basic idea is very easy to understand.
No doubt you will now deliberately misuse his words as 'epo doesn't work on Kenyans' as you have already done for years.
You say that, but for those of us who were around 'back in the day', we remember the original Canova line on Kenya and EPO was that Kenyans were too happy, smiley, religious and loved their mothers too much to ever consider doping.
The 'EPO doesn't work on Kenyans anyway' phase came after that.
And then the phase you're referring to is the 'EPO doesn't work on well trained Kenyans, so any elite Kenyan caught cheating isn't really cheating because it didn't work' phase.
Steve, he has made his position pretty clear in what he said.
If the athlete is not optimally trained (which by his standards would be most athletes) then they can gain 2 additional mins with epo.
If they are optimally trained by his standards and 207 is their genuine limit in those circumstances, then zero additional improvement.
Exactly what Renato would consider 'optimally trained' would be a books worth of information. But the basic idea is very easy to understand.
No doubt you will now deliberately misuse his words as 'epo doesn't work on Kenyans' as you have already done for years.
You say that, but for those of us who were around 'back in the day', we remember the original Canova line on Kenya and EPO was that Kenyans were too happy, smiley, religious and loved their mothers too much to ever consider doping.
The 'EPO doesn't work on Kenyans anyway' phase came after that.
And then the phase you're referring to is the 'EPO doesn't work on well trained Kenyans, so any elite Kenyan caught cheating isn't really cheating because it didn't work' phase.
It's evolved over essentially decades.
Trollism, you deliberately misuse (or forgot) what I explained thousands times.
A) I told that, till 2011, NEVER heard any Kenyan asking for supplement, also legal. What I said is what I know, and because I lived in Kenya for about 9 months every year, working with many of the top in the Country, I suppose to have more infos, and more knowledge about the problem, of all the posters in LR
B) The category that didn't take advantage from EPO (attention, not from DOPING, I well know there is doping working with everybody, but this is not EPO) NEVER was "Kenyan", but "Kenyan living and training in altitude, with proper training".
C) After I started to work with European athletes, who accepted to live and train in altitude for many months every year, I modified my thought, replacing "Athletes, from any Country and different origin, living and training in high altitude for long time, using proper training dont have advantage from taking EPO"
D) I'm one of the most tough fighters against doping, that is completely out of my mentality. Several times I wrote that athletes caught for EPO needed to be banned for life, "not because had illegal advantage, but because they finished their career for something not helping them. This means they were idiots, and we have to clean athletic world from idiots.
Now I can add that, in order to grow in athletics, a very good solution could be ban from LR a group of posters that are only able to speak about doping, showing their "not" knowledge of the problem, never explaining which real advantage doped athletes have, and already obsessed by the same problem, that of course exists, but becomes bigger and bigger for the overevaluation of the advantages producing in the performances of endurance.