10-15 years ago Mead was at the top of the heap for this sort of thing with a solid list of sub-4:20 and sub-9:20. But now, in the era of 25 guys running under 8:50 in a year, all-time sub 9:10/9:20 depth isn't quite as impactful.
This list, and I’m assuming all the other lists from athletic.net, are very incomplete. The woodlands list only goes back about 10 years or so. There are two other guys from the school that went sub-9, at least two more right at 9:00. The school was known as McCullough from 1976-1996 when it changed to the woodlands high school.
What about on the girls side? Fayetteville Manlius?
This school - state champs in XC - had five girls break 5 in 2023 for 1600m. Amazing depth. If I was that coach, I wouldn't even know which girls to let run the 1600m for the state meet; you can only let 2 run at the sectional meet to qualify, which doesn't seem fair under these circumstances; it's possible they all could've medaled (top 9) at the state meet in 2023.
There might be but these are actually pretty good. 4:36 for 1500 gets you about as far as 4:16 for 1600 does for guys. That's a pretty good top 10. 9:58 for 3k, similar to 9:15 for 3200, also pretty good. Definitely not comparable to their XC, but I'd be surprised if there's another program that blows them out of the water.
Ever since they first lost to Wayzata in 2013, Aris stopped caring about track and only focused on XC. Many of their top times are 10+ years old, and especially in the relays. I imagine if they kept it up in track they would have much better all-time lists (and certainly deeper).
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There might be but these are actually pretty good. 4:36 for 1500 gets you about as far as 4:16 for 1600 does for guys. That's a pretty good top 10. 9:58 for 3k, similar to 9:18 for 3200, also pretty good. Definitely not comparable to their XC, but I'd be surprised if there's another program that blows them out of the water.
Checked it out and Saratoga cuts off at 4:33 for 1500 and 9:59 for 3k. Pretty comparable. The most impressive thing is actually probably the fact that their top 20 3k times cuts off at 10:08. That's gotta be the best in the nation for sure.
Also should mention New York doesn't really use Athletic.Net, so there may be a number of performances missing that you can find on MileSplit.
There's probably a lot of school's people are not thinking about with equally hard lists to get on. Results were not really uploaded online consistently until like 2006. Athletic.net and Mile splits historical data is not always accurate because many schools had great runners in the 80s and 90s that may have very little results online. Example: Letsrun did a profile on Richard Kimball the other day, he was a fantastic runner that won Jr World XC in the 70s, when I went to look up some of his stats and Prs I could barely find anything online. His IAAF page only has the Jr world title on it and nothing else. There's probably a lot of schools out there with deep lists that you can't really find online.
There's probably a lot of school's people are not thinking about with equally hard lists to get on. Results were not really uploaded online consistently until like 2006. Athletic.net and Mile splits historical data is not always accurate because many schools had great runners in the 80s and 90s that may have very little results online. Example: Letsrun did a profile on Richard Kimball the other day, he was a fantastic runner that won Jr World XC in the 70s, when I went to look up some of his stats and Prs I could barely find anything online. His IAAF page only has the Jr world title on it and nothing else. There's probably a lot of schools out there with deep lists that you can't really find online.
That's exactly correct. My HS had a very strong distance program (for the state of Louisiana) from 1975 - 1983. We had a number of 9:30 2 milers and a few milers under 4:20. I go to Athletic.net and it lists our 1600 school record at 4:53 and 3200 at 10:59, as by the early 2000's the distance program had basically disappeared.
Similar thing happened when US HS track went metric in 1980. Bobby Beck (1979) ran a 4:07 mile for the state meet record. Louisiana HSAA erased all non-metric records in 1980, as opposed to doing some easy conversions. The state meet 1600 record is listed as 4:12, even though that is vastly inferior to Beck's 4:07 mile. Hopefully, not all states took this approach for managing records.
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