Yes fuel cell are soft and can be unstable, but they seem to work well for me in the New balance propel v4, no bottoming out - a great daily training shoe on a budget. Also you should try the new balance sc trainer v1 or 2. Every brand has some shoes that don't work for everybody. There are so many factors, how you strike (heel, mid fore forefoot), your paces, weight etc that can effect how a shoe can work for you..
I guy recently ran a marathon 2hrs 22 mins in NB sc elite v3. Some NB shoes have been getting rave reviews (believe in the run) . There are good new balance shoes.
I agree that he should try the Propel V4. Everything I’ve read about it seems to indicate it is a more stable and firmer (but heavier) shoe than the Rebel (a personal favorite).
Also, if ‘firm’ is such a big deal, try the SC Pacer, but only if you are more of a mid/fore foot runner. Otherwise you’ll destroy the heel in no time.
The new NB SC trainer v2 is meant to be good too, stable cushioned and responsive, a good long run trainer. I have the propel v4, not quite as good as the saucony speed 3, but nearly 1/2 the price. Good daily trainer that is stable, cushioned and can pick up the pace.
You are right. The V2 Trainer is supposed to be more stable with its lower stack height. My wife has the V1 and while I’ve never run in them, just looking at them I can tell they are not what the OP is after.
I'm surprised no mention of Nike Pegasus 39/40. I'm 6' 175+ and had 700miles on my 39s. I was actually using these as my yard/work shoe and forgot my fresh pair for a planned 13mi run mostly on asphalt.
At about halfway I wondered if I could push these 700+ miles shoes another 100 as I did not feel the brick no response feeling one gets from spent trainers. The react midsole with dual zoom pods tends to mold to your foot after 40miles. The midsole itself does not seem to breakdown and has a medium soft type feel.
Another consideration could be the medium firm Brooks launch a bit lighter (0.7 oz) but I feel not as durable and evenly cushioned as Pegasus.
SackBob, you are a godsend. I’ve been trying either New Balances or Orthodox the last 20 years, and they just have gotten worse and worse and worse over time. I’ve had over 20 knee surgeries too, and just had knee replacements. Every surgery that was supposed to correct my pain problem never did because of faulty shoes. Just tried on the Diadora Vortices for the first time, and it’s like stepping into a new world. I couldn’t be more grateful for the good information……I was also told by a shoe expert that Brooks Beast is a great shoe. He said they have been perfecting the technology for 3 years. I’m going to try those as well, to see which ones have a better fit…..Thank you sir
Ask a chiropractor what they think of shoes that have big slabs of foam for soles. They know it's a gimmick. Initially they feel dreamy. Nurses and school teachers fall for them. Then they have lower back pain they didn't have before. The subtle-but-constant twist of your foot in a squishy shoe wreaks havoc on your spine. This is all about marketing. Remember when baseball gloves took months to fully break in? Glove companies realized single moms were making more glove purchases than ever before (divorce, Little League) and they weren't going to spend endless hours playing catch. So, cheaper flimsier leather or synthetics became the norm and gloves felt GREAT right out of the box. But the gloves broke down after two seasons, requiring a new purchase. Lessons learned.
ASICS GT-1000 have been working quite well for me with ASICS Magic Speed 3 for races. I also have ASICS Gel-Kayano's but they are for looooooong, sloooooow stuff only, which I rarely do. The GT-1000 is a pretty basic running shoe, but that's kind of what I need! There is enough foam/rubber/stability to not beat my feet up and I am still getting good heel-toe return so that force isn't getting transferred into my quads. Everything else has been my muscles adapting to pounding.
The biggest issue with the high stack shoes is that the cushioning is so good that force isn't getting transferred up the leg on heel strike and instead only gets transferred at roll off. It basically feels like running on the balls of your feet at all times, and then my quads, and eventually my knees, are toast.
The recent iterations of the 1080, v12 and v13 in particular, are quite bad. Donated the 880v13 that I used last year after less than 200 miles. I'm tempted to get v14 though since the initial reviews are okay.
Wish I had a choice, but I'm quite limited to NBs since they consistently offer wide sizes even for the SC Elite. For the daily trainers though, I've shifted to the Vomero 17 and Boston 12.