The reports about how athletes evade anti-doping efforts, doping surveys, statements from antidoping officials and scientists and the athletes themselves, etc. But I'm all for being educated. Do you have studies that show that microdosing is easily detected or that a race day PED test in the compete absence of out of competition testing is effective? Do tell.
1. There is a legitimate concern and suspicion that this athlete is not clean, and that shouldn't be controversial to say so. Her coaches have been credibly accused of doping athletes with EPO. Even the ones who support them believe they were injected with L-Carnitine. Addy chose to remain at Huntington so she could be coached by them. She has supported and stood by them. This "The Future is so Bright I gotta wear Shades!!!" is stupid and baiting and you know it OP. Quit it.
What are the chances that a star record setting athlete just so happens to be coached - from highschool to college - by a family friend and husband and wife coaching team allegedly doping athletes and under investigation? But yet she herself is (and was) totally clean. That would be a huge coincidence. It is very reasonable to to have some suspicion in this circumstance.
There is a level of sheer credulity on this subject that would defy belief if it wasn't old hat for this message board. People here just do not want to face it, so they rationalize and equivocate and give an extraordinary benefit of the doubt. She stayed with the Johnsons expressly because she wanted to run fast and despite the scandal and the idea that they would not use the same doping practices that Lauren used in her career before being fired by OTC and that they administered to their other top athletes is risible. The whole game here, the sought after pay off from the onset, is to make a world team by any means necessary and there is no concern about how obvious it is because the assumption is that they can get away with it. All it takes is the will to do so. She is not in the elite testing pool and no out of competition testing is occurring. Nothing would prevent it, and not coincidentally she suddenly can run a seemingly crazy fast time. In this sport if you give epo and steroids to any female runner in the ncaa top 20, you would get the same result, a race in the lower 4:00s. It is just a matter of being ethically challenged enough to do it, and the Johnsons have clearly proven woefully deficient in this area.
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There is a level of sheer credulity on this subject that would defy belief if it wasn't old hat for this message board. People here just do not want to face it, so they rationalize and equivocate and give an extraordinary benefit of the doubt. She stayed with the Johnsons expressly because she wanted to run fast and despite the scandal and the idea that they would not use the same doping practices that Lauren used in her career before being fired by OTC and that they administered to their other top athletes is risible. The whole game here, the sought after pay off from the onset, is to make a world team by any means necessary and there is no concern about how obvious it is because the assumption is that they can get away with it. All it takes is the will to do so. She is not in the elite testing pool and no out of competition testing is occurring. Nothing would prevent it, and not coincidentally she suddenly can run a seemingly crazy fast time. In this sport if you give epo and steroids to any female runner in the ncaa top 20, you would get the same result, a race in the lower 4:00s. It is just a matter of being ethically challenged enough to do it, and the Johnsons have clearly proven woefully deficient in this area.
I've had multiple replies to this thread deleted. Which is fine. But you've been absolutely right the entire time. I am frankly not sure why people MUST stand up for this athlete or even more interesting, why the Brojos feel the need to. It's very strange.
There is a level of sheer credulity on this subject that would defy belief if it wasn't old hat for this message board. People here just do not want to face it, so they rationalize and equivocate and give an extraordinary benefit of the doubt. She stayed with the Johnsons expressly because she wanted to run fast and despite the scandal and the idea that they would not use the same doping practices that Lauren used in her career before being fired by OTC and that they administered to their other top athletes is risible. The whole game here, the sought after pay off from the onset, is to make a world team by any means necessary and there is no concern about how obvious it is because the assumption is that they can get away with it. All it takes is the will to do so. She is not in the elite testing pool and no out of competition testing is occurring. Nothing would prevent it, and not coincidentally she suddenly can run a seemingly crazy fast time. In this sport if you give epo and steroids to any female runner in the ncaa top 20, you would get the same result, a race in the lower 4:00s. It is just a matter of being ethically challenged enough to do it, and the Johnsons have clearly proven woefully deficient in this area.
I've had multiple replies to this thread deleted. Which is fine. But you've been absolutely right the entire time. I am frankly not sure why people MUST stand up for this athlete or even more interesting, why the Brojos feel the need to. It's very strange.
LOL me too. I got several replies deleted for daring to question their downvoting schemes. Not sure how it was “intimidating or threatening” though.
I've had multiple replies to this thread deleted. Which is fine. But you've been absolutely right the entire time. I am frankly not sure why people MUST stand up for this athlete or even more interesting, why the Brojos feel the need to. It's very strange.
LOL me too. I got several replies deleted for daring to question their downvoting schemes. Not sure how it was “intimidating or threatening” though.
The downvoting is WILD to me. Are there really this many apologists for this runner that everyone offer substantive evidence of actual doping is getting downvoted? The agendas run on this website is wild. And questioning it simply gets you deleted.
As I said in a deleted post before, it's threads like this and the proliferation of anti-trans threads that make it great that so many new media sites are filling the track and field news space so young fans don't have to subject to this site.
There are two things you can trust you will always find in a letstrun.com mb thread. 1. No Life Experience Know-it-alls. 2. Moral High Horses. The best part is experiencing a multitude of posters fall into one of these two categories (or both) while being completely oblivious that they do.
LOL me too. I got several replies deleted for daring to question their downvoting schemes. Not sure how it was “intimidating or threatening” though.
The downvoting is WILD to me. Are there really this many apologists for this runner that everyone offer substantive evidence of actual doping is getting downvoted? The agendas run on this website is wild. And questioning it simply gets you deleted.
As I said in a deleted post before, it's threads like this and the proliferation of anti-trans threads that make it great that so many new media sites are filling the track and field news space so young fans don't have to subject to this site.
No. There are one or two apologists downvoting the posts while using an IP hider. It's one or two people very close to her and/or the Johnsons there are trying to make it appear there is widespread support for her and to downplay any suspicions about her performance and the company she keeps.
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Brojo’s: fix your website. Not the first time I’ve tried to post in a thread and had my reply posted to a totally different thread I never clicked on.
Have Tuohy's coaches been accused of doping athletes, injecting substances into athletes, giving massages to athletes, and/or even worse? Are they facing criminal conviction? Is she involved in a major track scandal? Again people can try to deflect with Katelyn all they want, but its utterly toothless and yawn inducing because they have nothing. If she starts running 3:55 then feel free to revisit the subject.
Here's a 19 year old kid running some great times at a small school. She isn't making a dime for her running.
Wrong. One of the reasons Wiley gave for staying at HU aside from continuing being coached by LJ was for the potential NIL deals. I think that is one piece of the puzzle that has gone overlooked for much of this discussion: What kind of NIL deals could a small christian school like Huntington be offering? Or any NAIA school for that matter?
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Yep. And the only way to capitalize on her decision is to double down and do whatever it takes to run fast enough that she can possibly secure a nil or pro deal. The express goal was always economic/financial.
Here's a 19 year old kid running some great times at a small school. She isn't making a dime for her running.
Wrong. One of the reasons Wiley gave for staying at HU aside from continuing being coached by LJ was for the potential NIL deals. I think that is one piece of the puzzle that has gone overlooked for much of this discussion: What kind of NIL deals could a small christian school like Huntington be offering? Or any NAIA school for that matter?
I think the NIL angle was used to lure her away from Colorado. As mentioned in other threads, who is giving her these NIL deals?? She isn't plugging any products or companies on her social media. I would be shocked if she is receiving any money from NIL.