Herriman was also one of the better distance teams in the state as of last year and the years before it too.
This to me is evidence that coaching is so much more important than talent, which a lot of highschool coaches with poorly performing teams hate to admit.
The amount of kids that are capable of running +\- 2:05, 4:40, 10:00 under high quality training is way higher than most people realize.
nobody would even know Soles' name if the Jenkins family and Horne family both didn't just happen to live in that school district.
the performances of his other athletes were not very impressive. 99% of his success came from those families.
He already gets more credit than he deserves. if he was in a random school district in Southern California, his team would be wearing shirts that say "4:40 is not fast"
Not impressive. Hall High School in CT is less than half the size and they have 6 sub 10. They also are not altitude training like Herriman. They also don't have the budget to travel far away to get fast races like Arcadia and Mt. Sac.
Their entire top 15 from last spring returned, so they were unusually young last year.
But go ahead and continue to worship Soles like you want to.
Not impressive. Hall High School in CT is less than half the size and they have 6 sub 10. They also are not altitude training like Herriman. They also don't have the budget to travel far away to get fast races like Arcadia and Mt. Sac.
Their entire top 15 from last spring returned, so they were unusually young last year.
But go ahead and continue to worship Soles like you want to.
look at the results and every single one of them that broke down 10 did it at altitude
You're wrong, you say that Herriman is only good because they got lucky with Horne and Jenkins? Explain this, Steadman, Hofheins, and Beckstrom are all juniors and stayed around 18 minutes last year. Now because of Soles program they have moved up a ton.
Steadman ran 4:09 at elevation which converts to 4:05 at sea level.
Hofheins ran 4:15 at elevation as well.
Beckstrom ran sub 16 at NXN which is one of the toughest courses out there.
Didn't you say the same thing on the Brosnan thread, but about Brosnan and the young and sahlman families? You really are stupid, give it up, it's pretty much impossible to have 16 sub 10 guys, unless you have good coaching.
Is good coaching fully focused on the present OR is it balancing the now and kids futures? Not sure how Soles athletes have done post high school, but it seems like you don’t hear about many of his athletes once they leave his program. Not sure if that says anything about a high school coach or not? I understand the transition to college is tough, but are his athletes just about tapped (physically and mentally) by the time they leave Hs?
Is good coaching fully focused on the present OR is it balancing the now and kids futures? Not sure how Soles athletes have done post high school, but it seems like you don’t hear about many of his athletes once they leave his program. Not sure if that says anything about a high school coach or not? I understand the transition to college is tough, but are his athletes just about tapped (physically and mentally) by the time they leave Hs?
Yes his athletes are burned out before they even start college.
With a school enrollment around 2000, Herriman had 29 boys run the 3200 this year. That’s huge in track.
I can’t comment about how well his training sets kids up for a post high school career and if more than average of the kids burn out and or don’t have room for improvement after they leave, but clearly Soles has quickly built a program that kids really want to be a part of. They are willing to train hard for him. Every school should be thrilled to have a coach like that.
Herriman was also one of the better distance teams in the state as of last year and the years before it too.
This to me is evidence that coaching is so much more important than talent, which a lot of highschool coaches with poorly performing teams hate to admit.
The amount of kids that are capable of running +\- 2:05, 4:40, 10:00 under high quality training is way higher than most people realize.
1000% agree. NP is what made me realize that when there was the whole "4:20 isn't fast" controversy, and now that kids/coaches have had 4 years to shift their mindset, we're seeing high schoolers run sub-4 and still come 4th place.
My class in high school sucked. We had 1 guy who ran 4:49 as a freshman, and he got down to 4:29 as a senior. I think he was the only one to break 5 too. The year below us was stacked though, they had 5 freshmen between 4:50-4:55, and half a dozen more below 5:10. Only 1 of them broke 4:20, and 1 more broke 4:30. We had the largest school in the state, a stacked freshmen class, and in 4 years, 1 of them scored in the 800 at the state meet. When covid started I did my own training by following advice here, and in 6 weeks I was in the best shape I'd ever been in. Really makes me wonder how fast we all could've run if we'd had a great coach.
Herriman was also one of the better distance teams in the state as of last year and the years before it too.
This to me is evidence that coaching is so much more important than talent, which a lot of highschool coaches with poorly performing teams hate to admit.
The amount of kids that are capable of running +\- 2:05, 4:40, 10:00 under high quality training is way higher than most people realize.
1000% agree. NP is what made me realize that when there was the whole "4:20 isn't fast" controversy, and now that kids/coaches have had 4 years to shift their mindset, we're seeing high schoolers run sub-4 and still come 4th place.
My class in high school sucked. We had 1 guy who ran 4:49 as a freshman, and he got down to 4:29 as a senior. I think he was the only one to break 5 too. The year below us was stacked though, they had 5 freshmen between 4:50-4:55, and half a dozen more below 5:10. Only 1 of them broke 4:20, and 1 more broke 4:30. We had the largest school in the state, a stacked freshmen class, and in 4 years, 1 of them scored in the 800 at the state meet. When covid started I did my own training by following advice here, and in 6 weeks I was in the best shape I'd ever been in. Really makes me wonder how fast we all could've run if we'd had a great coach.
The only thing NP and Herriman have in common is that they have extremely strong talent pools in their school districts.
You're wrong, you say that Herriman is only good because they got lucky with Horne and Jenkins? Explain this, Steadman, Hofheins, and Beckstrom are all juniors and stayed around 18 minutes last year. Now because of Soles program they have moved up a ton.
Steadman ran 4:09 at elevation which converts to 4:05 at sea level.
Hofheins ran 4:15 at elevation as well.
Beckstrom ran sub 16 at NXN which is one of the toughest courses out there.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Steadman / Beckstrom / Hofheins all ran under 9:20 in the 3200
I’m pretty sure I could also get 16 boys to run sub-10:00 by telling 100 kids to go run 70-100 miles per week, injuring 50% of them, and burning out the rest. Is that great coaching or irresponsible coaching? Where are all the amazing Great Oak alumni now?
