Ummmm wrote:
Do we even have video this happened? What ever happened to “pics or it didn’t happen” ?
“Pics or it didn’t happen” was always something uttered by fools.
Update on this thread here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Iferer wrote:
Fast running wrote:
Klecker was annoyed because Kincaid kept clipping his heels and nearly caused him to fall down. Plus it's obvious from the video that's exactly what happened.
This reminds me of the according to "The Far Side."^ This reminds me of the Lewis & Clark expedition according to "The Far Side." - I'm unsure why the linked text disappeared.
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Ummmm wrote:
Do we even have video this happened? What ever happened to “pics or it didn’t happen” ?
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are you insinuating that the people of this message board can be tricked into believing a fake story?
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I'm not really buying Joe's assertion that he was worried about an injury/finishing.
Definitely. Ritzenhein or Ray Flynn or somebody obviously told him to make some sort of statement to cover for the scene he made post-race.
Multiple things can be true at the same time. Is Klecker a bit of an entitled rich kid from a leafy suburb who throws fits when things don't go his way? Is Kincaid a flake and clueless and probably not analytical enough about the importance of killing two standards with one stone? The answer to both questions is "yes".
If you look at Ritzenhein's posts about the meet, he specifically mentions that Klecker "wasn't afraid to go for it". This pretty obviously implies that Kincaid was and I think echoes the general sentiment about the race. Everybody knows it, this isn't the first time, and Kincaid's inability to see the big picture will limit what he achieves in his career.
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adobe wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
I'm not really buying Joe's assertion that he was worried about an injury/finishing.
Definitely. Ritzenhein or Ray Flynn or somebody obviously told him to make some sort of statement to cover for the scene he made post-race.
Multiple things can be true at the same time. Is Klecker a bit of an entitled rich kid from a leafy suburb who throws fits when things don't go his way? Is Kincaid a flake and clueless and probably not analytical enough about the importance of killing two standards with one stone? The answer to both questions is "yes".
If you look at Ritzenhein's posts about the meet, he specifically mentions that Klecker "wasn't afraid to go for it". This pretty obviously implies that Kincaid was and I think echoes the general sentiment about the race. Everybody knows it, this isn't the first time, and Kincaid's inability to see the big picture will limit what he achieves in his career.
"Wasn't afraid to go for it" yet immediately fell off pace as soon as the pacer was dropped out.
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quindale dangle wrote:
"Wasn't afraid to go for it" yet immediately fell off pace as soon as the pacer was dropped out.
Average split to 4800m meters about where the pacer dropped out = 65.45 / 13:05.39.
Klecker's splits to 8800m 23:59.68 after the pacer dropped out:
64.60 - 64.09 - 65.48 - 65.23 - 66.00 - 65.40 - 66.31 - 65.86 - 66.00 - 66.13 = average 65.49.Klecker's splits starting the lap Kincaid passed while tripping him up: 66.13 - 64.85 - 56.92.
Thus Klecker did NOT slow the pace down after the pacer dropped out, so you're making a false accusation.Plus there is no point to that accusation anyway, because slowing down is not a valid excuse to keep clipping someone's heels.
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Fast running wrote:
quindale dangle wrote:
"Wasn't afraid to go for it" yet immediately fell off pace as soon as the pacer was dropped out.
Average split to 4800m meters about where the pacer dropped out = 65.45 / 13:05.39.
Klecker's splits to 8800m 23:59.68 after the pacer dropped out:
64.60 - 64.09 - 65.48 - 65.23 - 66.00 - 65.40 - 66.31 - 65.86 - 66.00 - 66.13 = average 65.49.Klecker's splits starting the lap Kincaid passed while tripping him up: 66.13 - 64.85 - 56.92.
Thus Klecker did NOT slow the pace down after the pacer dropped out, so you're making a false accusation.Plus there is no point to that accusation anyway, because slowing down is not a valid excuse to keep clipping someone's heels.
Where are you getting this from? Hoare paced until 6400, running 64's and 65's, then Klecker started consistent 66's and a few 65's until the last lap.
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Yice wrote:
Or more to the point, if they weren’t able to break 13:30 after a 13:35, do you magically expect they could break 13:30 after a 13:30?
If you go back and read, that was my original point. They didn't break 27:00 because it was never in the cards. They couldn't do it after 13:35 so why is everyone trashing Woody because he didn't take the lead and push it? 27:0x was a great result for both of them given the setup. In my opinion they ran just about perfect. So my original question is why is everyone butthurt about the result. Two of the top guys in the US PRed, running faster than anyone on the scene besides Fisher. They both look like WC and Olympic team material to me.
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shjdkahsd wrote:
Yice wrote:
Or more to the point, if they weren’t able to break 13:30 after a 13:35, do you magically expect they could break 13:30 after a 13:30?
If you go back and read, that was my original point. They didn't break 27:00 because it was never in the cards. They couldn't do it after 13:35 so why is everyone trashing Woody because he didn't take the lead and push it? 27:0x was a great result for both of them given the setup. In my opinion they ran just about perfect. So my original question is why is everyone butthurt about the result. Two of the top guys in the US PRed, running faster than anyone on the scene besides Fisher. They both look like WC and Olympic team material to me.
I wasn’t attempting to refute your point. I too was stating the obvious.
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Yice wrote:
shjdkahsd wrote:
If you go back and read, that was my original point. They didn't break 27:00 because it was never in the cards. They couldn't do it after 13:35 so why is everyone trashing Woody because he didn't take the lead and push it? 27:0x was a great result for both of them given the setup. In my opinion they ran just about perfect. So my original question is why is everyone butthurt about the result. Two of the top guys in the US PRed, running faster than anyone on the scene besides Fisher. They both look like WC and Olympic team material to me.
I wasn’t attempting to refute your point. I too was stating the obvious.
Cool, got it. I think it was a great race. Times have sure changed when some people are disappointed that two American guys 'only' ran 27:0x (especially guys who are not naturalized East Africans). I think we'll soon have 4 active guys sub 27 with more on the way before too long.
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Notactuallyme wrote:
Lisa Watson wrote:
Exactly. Woody is just one of the racers. He's not there to help anyone. Can't stand attitudes like Klecker's. He could have run faster if he wanted to.
This was explicitly a time trial to get a standard. Woody was a mooch who was clipping from behind he was mooching so hard. If woody pulls his weight and takes some laps in there they had a chance to hit the 2024 standard. But nope. Woody doing woody things. I didn’t mind the sit and kick at BU. But tonight was too much.
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Unfortunate but better communication needed before race. We can see that Woody tried to help but Joe somehow didn’t let him
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quindale dangle wrote:
adobe wrote:
Definitely. Ritzenhein or Ray Flynn or somebody obviously told him to make some sort of statement to cover for the scene he made post-race.
Multiple things can be true at the same time. Is Klecker a bit of an entitled rich kid from a leafy suburb who throws fits when things don't go his way? Is Kincaid a flake and clueless and probably not analytical enough about the importance of killing two standards with one stone? The answer to both questions is "yes".
If you look at Ritzenhein's posts about the meet, he specifically mentions that Klecker "wasn't afraid to go for it". This pretty obviously implies that Kincaid was and I think echoes the general sentiment about the race. Everybody knows it, this isn't the first time, and Kincaid's inability to see the big picture will limit what he achieves in his career.
"Wasn't afraid to go for it" yet immediately fell off pace as soon as the pacer was dropped out.
Ritz will say anything to defend the team and OAC. Reminds me of Al Sal. Both cut from the same cloth
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Alright rewatched it, and some thoughts on the review:
As soon as Woody makes his move to 2nd place, literally immediately, Joe looks back, sees him and for 75 meters goads him to take the lead. Woody declines. Whatever Joe says afterwards, he wanted Woody to take the lead.
Woody then runs a step over in Lane 1 on Joe's shoulder as opposed to directly behind on the straightaways. At 2000 to go, Joe has a look to see if Woody is right there and maybe see how he's doing. Then at 1500 to go, Woody goes all the way into lane 2 to potentially take the lead on that straightaway. It's not a big surge, but seems like he would have taken the lead had Joe not picked it up a little before the turn. A combo of did Joe a) think that was his best move to win b) was pissed at Woody for doing this 3 laps later than he wanted.
At 950 to go, Woody clips Klecker and then decides he's just gonna go by him. This lap was "only" 65.5 even with Woody infusing some pace to get by, so I don't think it's far-fetched to think that Joe's slowing caught Woody by surprise hence the clip. I'm not really buying Joe's assertion that he was worried about an injury/finishing.
Klecker is stalking Woody on the penultimate lap, and shows no signs of concern. Also, note that Woody runs a little wide on the straightaways while Joe hugs the lane line so that just seems like how they run.
Finally, someone who actually watched the race. You’re dead on in your synopsis. Lots of people here making comments without actually doing their homework.
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Fast running wrote:
Exactly. There was no need for Kincaid to keep running as close as he was, except to constantly annoy him, wear him out and and keep him from running any faster.
For a contrast look at the women's race where McColgan always kept a respectful distance behind Monson.
Apparently you missed the couple of laps when Woody was leading at the end. Klecker was right on his butt and breathing down his neck the entire time. Even the announcer said there is no daylight between them. Klecker is a crybaby. This race was won fair and square.
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2019 Worlds, Leonard Korir was lapped
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wejo wrote:
2019 Worlds, Leonard Korir was lapped
what's this referencing?
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wejo wrote:
2019 Worlds, Leonard Korir was lapped
Oooh darn.
@Marc, I asked someone when the last time an American was lapped in a 10k (I thought it was 2012, Wejo proved me wrong lol)
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Watched the race last night. Klecker doesn't any legitimate gripe. He got clipped? He is the one with big strides. It seems he is upset because he got beat twice in the same manner. Either he has to make the pace faster or he can't beat Kincaid. On a side note, I had no idea how efficient Kincaid's strides look. I always assumed he was a just a kicker guy. He has very economical strides on top of a big kick.
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