Trans woman sets new Canadian Record in Masters Women Indoor 5000m

18:02, I believe. Previous record was 18:08.

Would “women” include a single American runner? After all, it’s a Canadian masters record of 18:02.

Unfortunately, some of the most influential groups in women's sports, like the Women's Sports Foundation, have taken the side of the trans athletes.

womenssportsfoundation.org

WSF Statement on State Bills Banning Transgender Youth Sport Participation - Women's Sports Foundation

Aleia Taylor

March 11, 2021: The passage of SB 2536 in Mississippi marks the first piece of state legislation to be signed into law during the 2021 legislative session that targets transgender athletes’ participation in sports. During thi...

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I would have no reservations about saying that.

Of course it doesn't.

Also, not all the physical advantages that males have over females that make such a big difference in sports are the result of a lifetime of testosterone. Some of the physical features that give adolescent and adult males "the male sport advantage" are the result of genetics alone. Most others are the result of testosterone plus male genetics and other features such as male androgen receptors that enable males to make use of the massive amounts of natural T that their testes pump out in distinctively and uniquely male ways.

The height and shape of the fully-developed male skeleton, for example, is determined by male genetics, not the sex hormone testosterone. Young males put on "puberty blockers" and high-dose estrogen for the purposes of "gender transition" were promised that they wouldn't develop any male-typical secondary sex characteristics and thus they'd be able to "pass" more easily as the opposite sex. Yet such males have been found to reach their predicted normal male adult height anyways - and they don't develop female-shaped pelvises, either.

The experience of the castrati - who had their testicles removed at 8 or 9, long before puberty of adolescence - also indicates that the larger size/volume and power of adult male lungs and the size and shape of the male thorax that help to give males huge advantages in sports over females are the result of genetics, not the high levels of natural testosterone that males typically produce and benefit from starting in adolescence.

I have a hunch that other organs inside the adult male thorax such as the heart that is 25-38% larger and more powerful than the heart of a female of the same height and weight might be determined by genetics, or genetics plus hormones, rather than by testosterone alone too. Otherwise, the teenage "trans boys" on exogenous T would grow larger, stronger hearts and lungs, which they don't seem to do. Just like all the East German female athletes put on high doses of androgens for the whole of their formative and early adult years in the 60s, 70s and 80s did not develop male-sized hearts and lungs and male cardiovascular capacity as a result.

There are several posters that have predicted that transgender athletes will end women’s sports. I don’t see how someone can believe that and still get worked up over a Canadian transgender female running 18:02.

So does this mean I can state on a form that I'm feeling like a girl today, then jog in an easy BQ? Because as a hobby jogger that men's pace is a lot of hard work. Then when I got it with a two minute buffer, months later I get a sad letter from the BAA saying I shouldn't book a hotel just yet. But give me +30 minutes and I'm in!

You posted a false title.

There's no such thing as a trans woman.

When someone's a trans, they're a trans - not a woman. A woman is not a trans.

Yeah, it's unfortunate they are focusing on mundane things like "the lack of Title IX understanding and compliance; girls in underserved communities facing inequity in sport access, resources and opportunity; the fight for equal pay; the lack of sponsorship support and media coverage; harassment and abuse of female athletes and women working in sports; and perennial under-recognition of Paralympic women’s sports."

They are missing the forest for the trees. ;)

Good one. Enjoy my first upvote! Happy New Year!

All of those things are important and worthy of their time, energy and resources.

Taking a position that sports for girls and women should take place on a level playing field, with participants that were born with XX chromosomes, would take little to no effort and would not take anything away from their attention to the issues listed.

Focusing on all of the significant issues that are listed does not lead one to the conclusion that one should then support trans athletes participating with women.

"We are so focused on Title IX issues that we also think trans women should be able to take records and medals away from XX humans" is not exactly a compelling argument.

He is being listed as 'elite' woman.

runningmagazine.ca

Canadian 5K Championships elite list announcement - Canadian Running Magazine

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70 of Canada's fastest 5K runners head to Moncton, N.B., on Sept. 11 to battle for the national title

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I briefly met Tiffany at a meet this summer.Spoke for a minute or two. She was about to race a race, so she was in her running gear.

Deep voice, muscles..I honestly thought she was a man. Then I saw her running in the woman's race and was very surprised.

People on the sidelines were cheering for her like it was nothing odd.

She crushed the race and won.

I know you can't really take the word of an anonymous poster on letsrun, but this is 100% true...I really thought I was talking to a tough, fit man, more muscular than the men running in the competition.

She was friendly enough though.

She was the only woman in that age group. Running alone.

The real tragedy here is the low participation levels in masters athletics. If they could get a better turnout maybe the record would be much faster. As it is, there’s really not enough competition to see really exceptional times.

At least she actually showed up.

Little to no effort? I don't think so. Taking a position on a controversial issue always takes effort. It probably takes time and resources away from other issues.

Every minute spent on TV shows and every square inch of newspaper and magazine space devted to one issue is one taken away from another issue. So WSF decided to focus on their mundane issues rather than devoting their time and resources to "the biggest threat to women's sports" in history.

This is who I met that day (ps I've seen her running in other races with other women, including some friends of mine, and in race the pic below. I do agree more women need to come out for masters races, but the lack of participation of other women is not the issue here):

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One more larger pic of her from the race.

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