Why do some of you impute traits to others without be evidence? Who is crying? When I posted the above I was unaware of what the rationale was for suspending the coach. I have more data now. Even if I question the organization’s response this is no reason to assume anyone is crying over this. Some of you appear to have anger management issues.
Holy sh1t snowflake! For my comment to elicit this kind of response from you--makes it look like you're crying. To post a basketball coach question on a running forum makes it look like you're crying. Yes, some people do have anger issues, which is completely irrelevant, but the fact that you brought it up--makes you look like you're--you guessed it.
You need anger management counseling ASAP. My guess is you have a very difficult time in social interactions, but you lack the awareness to know it is you who is the problem.
LMAO!!! To quote you: "Why do some of you impute traits to others without be evidence?" You couldn't be more wrong. Lack of awareness?? LMAO!!! Accuse someone of crying=anger issues. I've heard it all now.
My understanding is that he had a consensual relationship with a female member of the organization. This is absurd. Sarver, the owner of the Suns, spent roughly 17 years abusing his power and was suspended a year. Udoka had a consensual relationship and was suspended a year. He has got to appeal this suspension. That is wildly out of proportion unless some key information is missing.
Jeannie Buss, owner and exec with the Lakers, dated team employee for 18 years.
My understanding is that he had a consensual relationship with a female member of the organization. This is absurd. Sarver, the owner of the Suns, spent roughly 17 years abusing his power and was suspended a year. Udoka had a consensual relationship and was suspended a year. He has got to appeal this suspension. That is wildly out of proportion unless some key information is missing.
Jeannie Buss, owner and exec with the Lakers, dated team employee for 18 years.
Actions taken against Buss? None.
Jackson? None.
Jeanie, who had just gotten promoted to Exec VP for BizOps, first asked for permission from the current owner of the Lakers at the time after Jackson asked her out. I'm guessing Udoka didn't get ownership's blessing first. That's a huge difference in these situations.
“When I met Phil, there was something about his voice that just, I was like, ‘Woah, who is this guy?” Buss said. “‘Is he single?’ I didn’t know what his deal was. He was going through a divorce. There was a spark between us, and he asked me to dinner, and I said, ‘I am interested in a relationship with you, but I’m not interested in keeping it on the down-low. If we’re going to see each other, then it has to be with full disclosure. Otherwise, I could compromise the organization, and I would never do that. I’m going to have to tell my dad. How am I going to do this?’”
Buss then revealed how her dad took the news of his daughter dating his team’s head coach.
“He took a second, and he said, ‘You know, I’ve always thought you should date someone older than you because he’ll appreciate you,” Buss added.
What was the role in the organization that she was his "subordinate"?
She wouldn't have to be a direct line report on the org chart. If he is clearly senior to her in the organization then a relationship is problematic from a relative power perspective.
I don't know about the C's official policy. But when two people are in a relationship and one of them could reasonably perceive that their actual job could be in jeopardy if they "get out of line" in their intimate relationship that is a huge problem.
The analyst had earlier declared consensual sexual relationships within the NBA are “not uncommon” and that it was a “terrible decision” to punish Udoka with a suspension equal to that of Suns owner Robert Sarver.
Well of course if Barnes is telling us the truth then they simply postponed the inevitable firing of this coach. It was obvious that there was more to this story, as without more, it made little sense.
Hence why the coach seems completely ok with a year’s suspension. How many times to do you see the person fighting the punishment as unfair and unjust? No race card playing or anything. He knows he’s getting off easy if he just disappears for a bit.
Anyone that watched the full press conference knows that he's done and not coming back. With training camp starting on Tuesday, they needed to have a plan in place for the upcoming season so they suspended him for at least the entire season, rather than indefinitely to ensure that there are no looming questions for the plan for later in the season. They were dancing around it but they made it clear that he's not just serving his season suspension and then everything is back to normal.
As someone else mentioned, I'm guessing that they're working on the terms of the buyout/settlement and this gives them the time to do that, without the announcement of the plan for the season dragging into training camp. There were rumors that he was thinking of resigning but he's not going to resign as that would forfeit his contract. They probably feel like they might be challenged on "just cause" if they fire him outright so it's time for the lawyers to work out the details. Part of the settlement will likely be that it doesn't formally go into effect until the end of the season, to try to avoid having it as even more of a distraction during the season.
If this came to fruition a few weeks earlier, he'd be gone.
Anyone that watched the full press conference knows that he's done and not coming back. With training camp starting on Tuesday, they needed to have a plan in place for the upcoming season so they suspended him for at least the entire season, rather than indefinitely to ensure that there are no looming questions for the plan for later in the season. They were dancing around it but they made it clear that he's not just serving his season suspension and then everything is back to normal.
As someone else mentioned, I'm guessing that they're working on the terms of the buyout/settlement and this gives them the time to do that, without the announcement of the plan for the season dragging into training camp. There were rumors that he was thinking of resigning but he's not going to resign as that would forfeit his contract. They probably feel like they might be challenged on "just cause" if they fire him outright so it's time for the lawyers to work out the details. Part of the settlement will likely be that it doesn't formally go into effect until the end of the season, to try to avoid having it as even more of a distraction during the season.
If this came to fruition a few weeks earlier, he'd be gone.
This makes a lot of sense. Another thing to consider is the woman involved- what are her plans? Does she sue? Does she have more of a case if he's fired immediately?
Anyone that watched the full press conference knows that he's done and not coming back. With training camp starting on Tuesday, they needed to have a plan in place for the upcoming season so they suspended him for at least the entire season, rather than indefinitely to ensure that there are no looming questions for the plan for later in the season. They were dancing around it but they made it clear that he's not just serving his season suspension and then everything is back to normal.
As someone else mentioned, I'm guessing that they're working on the terms of the buyout/settlement and this gives them the time to do that, without the announcement of the plan for the season dragging into training camp. There were rumors that he was thinking of resigning but he's not going to resign as that would forfeit his contract. They probably feel like they might be challenged on "just cause" if they fire him outright so it's time for the lawyers to work out the details. Part of the settlement will likely be that it doesn't formally go into effect until the end of the season, to try to avoid having it as even more of a distraction during the season.
If this came to fruition a few weeks earlier, he'd be gone.
The "press conference" was proof Celtics management are acting in strict accordance with the recommendations provided by their newly hired crisis management PR spinmeisters. Hold a press conference to say that you won't say anything. Their ultimate product is the basketball team they put on the floor. The Udoka issue will hang over them if the team has a bad season - and remember that the replacement coach, Mazzulla, comes with his own set of problems.
In 2009, while starring at West Virginia, now Celtics interim head coach Joe Mazzulla was arrested for domestic battery for allegedly grabbing a woman by the
Udoka is burned. Won't coach the Celtics again; will probably have trouble getting another HC position in the League.
Thanks to his actions, the Celtics are now vulnerable to legal action not just from his fling(s), but from any female employee who claims that she didn't get a raise, promotion, or whatever because she WASN'T banging the coach. Puts them in the position of having to affirmatively prove a negative, which is disastrous from a legal and PR perspective.
As for the League... with the increasing influence of legal sports gambling on the revenue stream, it's going to be hard for a team to take a chance on a guy who's known to have clandestine affairs. Somebody who does that is subject to pressure, blackmail, etc, and the last thing the League and it's new high-profile sponsors want is even the hint of a gambling scandal.
It's nuts - here's a dude who was beside himself that Udoka was getting suspended, then gets a call from someone on the inside and then he completely retracts and goes full 180. It makes me even more curious as to what Ime did.
Affairs with subordinates are off-limits and a violation of company policy for every large organization. And in this case a major distraction for the team. If they wanted to carry on one of them should have left the Celtics first.
But suspending him for a year?
It is so stupid. Who gets suspended from a job, essentially when you are CEO?
He should either be fired or reprimanded but suspending him just seems pointless.
If you violate our rules, you'll get suspended a year?
CEO. There is management in a sporting enterprise. A coach is just a high profile manager, most of these teams have literal CEOs. That may not be their title but it is their job function, the senior (read chief) executive.
