Jakob FINISHES Running Career as a 3:28.32 1500m Runner. I predict he's already run his PB.

I think the 2000m is the best of all of them! Unless some even faster tracks or spikes are developed, I really don't see JI breaking (or getting that close to) any of them. Pretty convinced at least 5 of them are PED induced anyway.

We have some knowledgeable posters in this thread, with JWH, Thoughtsleader, Deanouk, Lollys Master and even Objective Observer. Deanouk is much too invested in certain runners to be objective, as is the guy who worships Aouita, and even though most of you disagree with the premise of the thread, it is great to have knowledgeable posters whether we agree or not.

Naaaaade continues his trolling about Jakob´s early peaking so I copy here a short essay adressing why he is wrong:

"Ad 10. Jakob is about to peak because he has been training for a very long time.

That seems to be the opinion of most posters on these boards, including Naaaaade and Lollys Master (YOU CAN´T CHEAT THE BODY, IT ONLY HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS (10-15)/ MILES IN IT; JAKOB WILL NOT BE RUNNING INTO HIS THIRTIES) in this thread.

But is this theory/ hypothesis true? I don´t think so.
Lollys master claims he is especially qualified to judge such matters due to his personal career and knowledge about training.

I would say that he is disqualifying himself by stating that it is a FACT that an athlete only can sustain 10-15 years of serious/hard/ professional training. This statement is clearly a THEORY and a such kind of theory can never be a FACT. Lollys master could try to support his theory with facts regarding athletes who peaked/ burned out after 10-15 years of training but even if he did the theory wouldn´t be a FACT but just a better documented
theory.

Lollys Master or other like-minded people have, however, to my knowledge never produced any convincing evidence to support their theory.

The theory seems more to be a pseudo-scientific misconception assuming that a human body – like a machine - is broken down after “working” over a certain amount of time or “driving” a certain amount of miles.

But the human body isn´t like that. The human body renew itself every day. And at least until the human being is in his/ her twenties the body will – everything equal – be stronger
and stronger. No machine can do that!

And the human body gets stronger by right training which breaks down muscles fibres and then after allowing for recovery built them up again to a higher level (super compensation). Recovery could be rest but for elite runners – as the Ingebrigtsen – it is long recovery runs at an easy pace.

Also: Regular (especially aerobic) training increases the oxygen turnover by creating many new blood vessels in the muscles. The sooner you work on this process the better.

In my opinion it is rather the other way around: It is difficult to be an elite athlete if you
haven´t trained a lot in your childhood and teens. Some people talk about the 10,000 hours rule: 10,000 training hours before leaving the teens.

I don´t know if it can be set on a formula but I am quite certain it is a big advantage if the
above physical benefits from right, balanced training start as early as possible. Most children love physical activities and it would be stupid to put restrictions on this due to some dubious theories.

Some people here have stated that Jakob has been doing HARD training for many years but this isn´t true. He has been training seriously from a very young age and been running a high mileage relative to his age (the mileage has gradually been increased over the years) but his training has never been hard. He said himself years ago that he had trained a lot but the training wasn´t hard. FACTS support this:

For a big part of the year the Ingebrigtsens train almost exclusively aerobically. Aerobic reps at lactate number 3.1-3.2 which is well under the threshold to anaerobic exercise. AND
long recovery runs at an easy pace. As pointed out before by some posters (including myself) here and in other threads: This kind of training doesn´t wear you down.

On the contrary this mainly aerobic, well balanced training deliver you into adulthood in your best possible version."

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So I maintain that Jakob as most other runners will continue to improve in both the 1500m and the longer distances until at least his mid twenties barring illness and injury.

I challenge Naaaaade, Lollys Master and more to support their theory with examples from real life.

I don´t need to disprove their theory. I will, however, as soon as possible give some examples about famous runners who haven´t "obeyed" Naaaaade´s and Lollys Masters´ theory.

Rudisha was unbeatable. Coe was not. I think those stats are quite accurate, if Coe raced Rudisha 10 times, he would only finish within a second of Rudisha 1 time.

Definitely you are a big mouth.
You're starting a thread of worshiping a Norwegian runner and you speak of others?

My posts here were extremely limited.

How many "worshiping" threads of your prodigy are posted in these forums by weeks?

While most of other threads are attacks of (North) African runners.

You are a fool. I do NOT worship the Norwegian runner. I asserted that he has already run his lifetime best at 1500m. How is that worshipping him? You worship Aouita. You would have a baby with him if you could. I have tried to lay off you because I also detest the Coe worship but you are a sycophant, an obsequious Aouita fan who is annoying as hell.

Your level is well exhibited here.

Please explain how I worship Jakob? I am waiting…

You got his full record?

1978 Euro Champs 3rd place.

1980 OG 2nd place. Ditto 1984 OG.

1990 Comm Games -- 3rd I think

1986 Euro Champs -- 1st. His only major 800m title I believe.

1982 Euro Champs -- 2nd.

He lost many 800m races.

I kinda worship him

Well you are a different kind of guy, so you are welcome to do that, but I do not.

Lol. And you are making things up. Rudisha was not 'unbeatable'. He was beaten over 800m 17 times between 2009 (the first year he ran 1:42) and 2017. That's twice as many defeats as Coe suffered over a longer period of 10 years. So the facts don't back up your claims. In fact they dismiss them out of hand.

A peak Rudisha may be deemed unbeatable, as he was in 2010 (the only year he remained unbeaten), but he certainly didn't have a long unbeaten run like someone like Moses or Bolt had. Coe, in his own era, was also unbeatable when in peak form, as he showed over 2 seasons (79 & 81), where he was unbeaten at any distance (800m and above).

You said he lost 'the majority' of his 800m races. He did not, not by a long way. As you can see from my previous post, I looked at 1977 to 1987, and he lost only 8 races.

He was an old man and ill in 1990 Commonwealths and well past his best. Up to that point he had won a medal in every 800m championship or major event that he contested the final of. Yes, he lost a few big races that he should have won, namely the Moscow Olympics due to poor tactics and probably nerves, as it was his first Olympics. 78 Europeans he was beaten by a more mature Ovett and in 82 he ran a perfect tactical race but run out of steam because he had glandular fever.

But he also won many big 800m races: 1977 European indoor gold, 79 European Cup (which was as big as the European Champs in those days), 81 European Cup, 81 World Cup (considered the precursor to the World Champs 2 years later) and the Europeans in 86. That's 5 gold medals. Then he also won 2 Olympic silvers, which is a better record than Kipketer's at the Olympics.

So no, he didn't lose many races at all, fewer than Rudisha and Kipketer did over similar lengths of time.

Some said that about Katie Ledeky too!

European Cup was not as big as the European Champs. Yes, 5 gold medals in competitions where no medals are awarded. You really need some help.

Rudisha and Kipketer almost solely ran high calibre international races, Coe very sparangly ran international races, he even often ran local club races. To compare their win/loss ratio as you do is completely misleading.

Rudisha's and Kipeketer's races were almost all paced, usually around 50/51 seconds. That means less can go wrong tactically and so long as they are fit and healthy, they'll almost certainly win, just as Coe would have won every 800m he ran in at that pace when he was fit and healthy. Coe also was often knackered at the end of long seasons running 800,1000,1500, mile, such as at the end of 1980 when he was pipped by Don Paige after running 6 rounds at the Olympics. Coe often also ran when he was clearly below par, unlike many other athletes, especially back then.

Kipketer also ran during the EPO era, and we all know that that era for some bizarre coincidental reason, threw up all these 'most dominant athletes in history' from Kenya and Morocco. Rudisha competed before proper testing was introduced in Kenya, and we've seen over 100 doping busts there since then, including 5 of the top 13 Kenyan 800m runners from 2017. (you could of course also make the suggestion that Rudisha did an EL G retired (at 28) as soon as testing began in Kenya, and the doping busts mounted up, but I wont go there, because I still want to believe Rudisha was clean).

Coe ran very few 800m races against top competition, Coevett. He often had local competitions against 1:50 runners, so no competition at all for him. Kipketer ran Köln, Brussels, Zürich, Monaco, Tokyo, Berlin, Oslo, Grand Prix Final ... in a a single season. Don't even try to argue Coe is more likely to lose some races.

Kipketer's and Rudisha's win/loss records in the 800 are far superiour to Coe's who has lost 1 or to 2 800s per season despite running very few top class races.

Coe at his best was as good as Kipketer and Rudisha, but he was not as constant as them.

I said he may have lost more than he won. I dunno. I do know his record in major international 800m races is one win and several losses

What was Coe's overall record in the 800?

Rudisha?

Kipketer?

How many times was Coe under 1:41? 1:42? 1:43? 1:44?

How about Rudisha? Kipketer?

1979 Euro Cup? 1:47 plus for Coe.

1981 Euro cup? 1:47 for Coe.

1978 Euro Champs? 3rd place. Coe is less than 1 year younger than Ovett.. a more mature Ovett?

Too young in 1978. Too old in 1990.

Lots of spin