Also, the REAL pervs here are those who believe that transgender females are really just male predators trying to eyeball females in the locker room. How sick, and frankly how stupid, can one be to believe that?
I remember reading on this board that "trans girls" were gay boys who were pushed to transition by their homophobic parents. So I am more than a little bit confused.
just go to 1 locker room and be done with it. Go to 1 division in all sports.Combine the wnba/nba, mls/wnsl, softball/baseball, etc... the current 'females' can hold their own just like they do in the marines. Not sure why we need 2 locker rooms/ divisions, sex/gender is just a construct anyway
Well, that didn't take long! LOL. My post was only up for 24 minutes when you came along to finger-wag, call me misogynistic names, tell me I'm insane, insist that "almost NONE" of the world's women are pissed off about the trampling of women's rights being done in the name of "trans rights" today, wokescold me for lacking compassion and acceptance, and warn me that my belief that persons of the female sex should not have to forfeit our hard-won rights to privacy, dignity, safety and fairness in sports in order to cater to males who say they "identify as" our sex "will not age well."
Thanks mate for proving my point.
If the TERF shoe fits, wear it. Yes, you seem to be all of those things that you just self-accused yourself of being. How does it feel to be so out of touch with the modern world? Pretty gross I would think. Also, yes, anyone assuming that trans women are simply male predators in some sort of elaborate disguise are gross, gross misanthropes.
Many on the so-called "left" today only give lip service to supporting the right to privacy when it comes to abortion because abortion is something men benefit from.
Just as many on today's "left" say that "diversity and inclusion" means persons with testes and/or penises and male sports advantage must be allowed to engage and compete in women's and girls' sports if they demand it, many on the left today also believe female people in countries like the USA, Canada, UK and Ireland do not have - and should not have - any right to any single sex facilities or services where we can be assured of safety, privacy, dignity, comfort and freedom from "the male gaze" when were are in situations outside our homes where we are undressed, naked or semi-naked and thus especially vulnerable to male sexual predation, prying, perving, harassment and assault.
The standard view of the "left" today is that males who claim to "identify as" the opposite sex should have unfettered access to all spaces and services set up to provide female people with privacy, dignity, safety and comfort outside the home - be they locker rooms; communal toilets, showers and spa facilities; retail store fitting rooms; workplace dressing rooms and showers; rape crisis centers; homeless shelters; refuges for victims of domestic violence/intimate partner violence; school dorms; sleep-away camp bunk houses; hostels; health care facilities including nursing home accommodations for elderly women; gathering spaces for lesbians; workplace lactation rooms; prisons and jails; group homes for at-risk teenagers; and care facilities, long-term residences and hospital wards for girls and women whose severe physical disabilities, learning disabilities and/or mental health illnesses make them sitting ducks for abuse.
Moreover, the standard view on the "left" today is that males should be given unfettered access to spaces where females are physically most exposed and vulnerable to untoward behaviors by males just because some males want and demand it - and based solely on males saying they now "identify as" women or girls themselves.
When actual girls and women dare to object and point out all the reasons why we are not comfortable with the new policies and dogma of male intrusion and dominance posing as inclusion and diversity, then men and some women on today's supposed "left" slag us off as right-wing bigots, haters, pearl-clutchers, prudes, TERFs, old-fashioned fuddy duddies, "old bxnts," conservative nutters and other words I can't share here.
Just watch: soon enough a LRC poster on "the left" who considers himself a brogressive paragon of virtue and forward-thinking will come along and call me a bunch of misogynistic names whilst finger-wagging that any laws, policies and social customs which provide female human beings with spaces and services that allow us to have privacy, dignity and safety outside our homes are now outmoded and hateful.
There's an old saying that's never been truer in the past than it is today in 2022: the right see women and girls as private property; the left see women and girls as public property.
The disregard for the human rights of women and girls seen on the left today - and the contempt many on the left have for us that causes them to call us newfangled names dripping with misogynylike menstruators, vagina havers, pregnancy carriers,birthing bodies, milk producers and cisters - is why so many women who have been on the left all our lives are now politically homeless. And it's why so many women are mighty pissed off too.
What a load of malarkey!
Roe gets overturned and women lose the right to abortion in multiple states overnight, including blanket bans, and you somehow believe that women should actually be most angry about TERF issues? Are you insane?
I can promise you that women ARE pissed off right now, and almost NONE of them are pissed about the relatively rare transgender intersection with their personal lives. MANY of them are in a quite rage about the removal of abortion rights.
TERFs are a tiny minority of women, most of whom hold compassion and acceptance toward the trans among us. Having been a TERF will not age well years down the road.
Have you not gotten the message yet that even liberal stalwarts found Roe deeply flawed? Justice Alito's approximately 79-page (108 pages with appendices) majority opinion in Dobbs was clear about that, quoting former Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe to make that point.
"Abortion rights" in the USA, pre-Dobbs and even to a large extent still now in many states, are much closer to those of oppressive regimes such as Russia, China, North Korea and Vietnam noted for their human rights abuses than they are to those of western Europe. I don't think direct abortion is ever justified, but at least in much of western Europe the deliberate slaughter of 6- and 7-lb human fetuses long after 20-weeks of pregnancy is not legal, whereas that is legal in many US states.
Moreover, it's often claimed that these special males are not just more likely to be victims of sex crimes than perpetrators, but they are more likely to be preyed on and sexually assaulted by male sex predators, pests and pervs than girls and women are.
But the fact is, male adults and adolescents don't suddenly all become angelic innocents once they claim a trans identity. They are also not the most vulnerable people in society. And males who identify as trans are not subjected to more sexual abuse, predation, harassment, voyeurism, indecent exposure, rape, battery, stalking, bullying, menacing and inappropriate advances from males than girls and women are.
This is not true at all. About half of trans women have been sexually assaulted.
Transgender individuals and communities experience shocking amounts of violence and discrimination. This section offers some information on the staggering rates of violence that trans and non-binary people face, although it s...
Nearly half (46%) of respondents were verbally harassed in the past year because of being transgender.
Nearly one in ten (9%) respondents were physically attacked in the past year because of being transgender.
Nearly half (47%) of respondents were sexually assaulted at some point in their lifetime and one in ten (10%) were sexually assaulted in the past year. In communities of color, these numbers are higher: 53% of Black respondents were sexually assaulted in their lifetime and 13% were sexually assaulted in the last year.
72% of respondents who have done sex work, 65% of respondents who have experienced homelessness, and 61% of respondents with disabilities reported being sexually assaulted in their lifetime.
More than half (54%) experienced some form of intimate partner violence, including acts involving coercive control and physical harm.
This is not from a transgender advocacy website, but from the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence.
If the TERF shoe fits, wear it. Yes, you seem to be all of those things that you just self-accused yourself of being. How does it feel to be so out of touch with the modern world? Pretty gross I would think. Also, yes, anyone assuming that trans women are simply male predators in some sort of elaborate disguise are gross, gross misanthropes.
Dumb question: Is TERF supposed to be perjorative?
Libs promotion of Pride is a denigration of normal society. There is no reason to boast about lifting people that in many cases have severe psychological flaws, and haven’t earned the promotion in the first place, while at the same time trying to make traditional values appear as sick. Very strange indeed.
Also, the REAL pervs here are those who believe that transgender females are really just male predators trying to eyeball females in the locker room. How sick, and frankly how stupid, can one be to believe that?
Yeah, mate, those who believe that female persons should have a say in who gets to see us when we are naked or half-naked are the real perverts here. Anyone who understands why elderly women, little girls and female people generally might not feel comfortable having to undress and shower with random male adults and adolescents looking on and hovering close at hand must be sick and stupid.
The reason women like me object to the presence of male adults, adolescents and tweens in women's locker rooms is not due to their gender identities, gender expression, clothing choice, hair styles, personality traits, political beliefs, sexual orientation and so on. We object to their presence in the ladies' simply because of their sex, because they are male.
Like most mums, I stopped taking my own son into the ladies locker room with me when he grew to an age where his presence was not longer appropriate. I did this for the sake of his comfort and wellbeing as much as for the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of the other women and girls in the ladies' locker rooms. Do you really think that makes me a pervert?
It's been many years since I felt comfortable being naked in front of my son, and since he felt comfortable being naked in front of me. So even though we love one another and neither of us would sexually prey on the other, we nonetheless observe the kinds of sex boundaries that are customary in human cultures and we respect each other's bodily privacy. I long have observed and paid heed to similar sex boundaries with the other males in my life who are not my sex partners such as my brothers, my male friends, my male work colleagues. If this makes me sick and stupid in your eyes, so be it.
BTW, most women like me do not say or believe that all males who adopt or claim an opposite-sex gender identity are "just male predators trying to eyeball females in the locker room." We simply are aware that some of them are.
There are bad actors in any group. A myth being peddled today is that males who identify as girls/women are a special sacred caste far above and entirely different to the rest of the human race - that all males who "identify as" girls/women are meek, mild, bashful, delicate, dainty, pure-hearted, saintly figures with only good intentions who are incapable of any wrongdoing. On social media, including LRC, these special males are often said to be "the most vulnerable in society." Moreover, it's often claimed that these special males are not just more likely to be victims of sex crimes than perpetrators, but they are more likely to be preyed on and sexually assaulted by male sex predators, pests and pervs than girls and women are.
But the fact is, male adults and adolescents don't suddenly all become angelic innocents once they claim a trans identity. They are also not the most vulnerable people in society. And males who identify as trans are not subjected to more sexual abuse, predation, harassment, voyeurism, indecent exposure, rape, battery, stalking, bullying, menacing and inappropriate advances from males than girls and women are.
Moreover, nowadays anyone can claim to be trans - and since being trans is entirely about self-declaration, there is no way to tell the males who sincerely believe themselves to be the opposite sex from males chancers and scam artists who are pretending.
Opening up female locker rooms and other similar spaces to males who claim a trans identity opens up those spaces to all and any males - including the unfortunately sizable number of adult and adolescent males who genuinely are sex predators and pervs. As a host of well-publicized sex abuse scandals have shown time and again, male sex predators and pests will exploit any loophole and seize any opportunity they can to get access to girls and women.
Wow, you really are sick. Luckily for the rest of us you are in the vast minority as a genuine TERF, the real deal. It's a terrible and cruel stance that you're going to regret down the line.
Also, the REAL pervs here are those who believe that transgender females are really just male predators trying to eyeball females in the locker room. How sick, and frankly how stupid, can one be to believe that?
No one said they are "just" trying to eyeball females in the locker room. However, it may well be that some of them do eyeball the women and girls in the locker room, even though that is not specifically their reason for being there. They may identify as female, they may think they belong in that locker room, but they are also physically male, and many have attraction towards and/or jealousy of the female body. So it would not be surprising if they are looking around a bit. And it's perfectly reasonable for the women and girls to object to that.
Yeah, mate, those who believe that female persons should have a say in who gets to see us when we are naked or half-naked are the real perverts here. Anyone who understands why elderly women, little girls and female people generally might not feel comfortable having to undress and shower with random male adults and adolescents looking on and hovering close at hand must be sick and stupid.
The reason women like me object to the presence of male adults, adolescents and tweens in women's locker rooms is not due to their gender identities, gender expression, clothing choice, hair styles, personality traits, political beliefs, sexual orientation and so on. We object to their presence in the ladies' simply because of their sex, because they are male.
Like most mums, I stopped taking my own son into the ladies locker room with me when he grew to an age where his presence was not longer appropriate. I did this for the sake of his comfort and wellbeing as much as for the safety, privacy, dignity and comfort of the other women and girls in the ladies' locker rooms. Do you really think that makes me a pervert?
It's been many years since I felt comfortable being naked in front of my son, and since he felt comfortable being naked in front of me. So even though we love one another and neither of us would sexually prey on the other, we nonetheless observe the kinds of sex boundaries that are customary in human cultures and we respect each other's bodily privacy. I long have observed and paid heed to similar sex boundaries with the other males in my life who are not my sex partners such as my brothers, my male friends, my male work colleagues. If this makes me sick and stupid in your eyes, so be it.
BTW, most women like me do not say or believe that all males who adopt or claim an opposite-sex gender identity are "just male predators trying to eyeball females in the locker room." We simply are aware that some of them are.
There are bad actors in any group. A myth being peddled today is that males who identify as girls/women are a special sacred caste far above and entirely different to the rest of the human race - that all males who "identify as" girls/women are meek, mild, bashful, delicate, dainty, pure-hearted, saintly figures with only good intentions who are incapable of any wrongdoing. On social media, including LRC, these special males are often said to be "the most vulnerable in society." Moreover, it's often claimed that these special males are not just more likely to be victims of sex crimes than perpetrators, but they are more likely to be preyed on and sexually assaulted by male sex predators, pests and pervs than girls and women are.
But the fact is, male adults and adolescents don't suddenly all become angelic innocents once they claim a trans identity. They are also not the most vulnerable people in society. And males who identify as trans are not subjected to more sexual abuse, predation, harassment, voyeurism, indecent exposure, rape, battery, stalking, bullying, menacing and inappropriate advances from males than girls and women are.
Moreover, nowadays anyone can claim to be trans - and since being trans is entirely about self-declaration, there is no way to tell the males who sincerely believe themselves to be the opposite sex from males chancers and scam artists who are pretending.
Opening up female locker rooms and other similar spaces to males who claim a trans identity opens up those spaces to all and any males - including the unfortunately sizable number of adult and adolescent males who genuinely are sex predators and pervs. As a host of well-publicized sex abuse scandals have shown time and again, male sex predators and pests will exploit any loophole and seize any opportunity they can to get access to girls and women.
Wow, you really are sick. Luckily for the rest of us you are in the vast minority as a genuine TERF, the real deal. It's a terrible and cruel stance that you're going to regret down the line.
Do you have any evidence that RunRagged is actually a RadicalFeminist?
Also, the REAL pervs here are those who believe that transgender females are really just male predators trying to eyeball females in the locker room. How sick, and frankly how stupid, can one be to believe that?
No one said they are "just" trying to eyeball females in the locker room.
I'm curious. I have a question for the attorneys and law students here.
This lady has been banned for life, embarrassed, and admits to emotional distress. Does she have enough grounds to sue the Y?
If she has enough grounds to bring a lawsuit, I think she would win, especially if her attorney did a good job of jury selection and got a lot of her peers (grandmothers and senior citizens) on the jury. It would probably settle out of court.
I'll repeat the question. Does she have enough grounds to sue the Y? She has suffered damages... banned for life, embarrassed in her small town, losing sleep. Obviously, we don't have the complete story, but there should be enough for law students/attorneys to at least have an opinion. I don't care about anonymous opinions from the peanut gallery and I don't have an opinion myself.
What say you, anonymous attorneys? Does she have grounds to sue?
If the TERF shoe fits, wear it. Yes, you seem to be all of those things that you just self-accused yourself of being. How does it feel to be so out of touch with the modern world? Pretty gross I would think. Also, yes, anyone assuming that trans women are simply male predators in some sort of elaborate disguise are gross, gross misanthropes.
Dumb question: Is TERF supposed to be perjorative?
LRMB keeping with its tradition of providing solid new resources and references. I like how this article verifies the old ladies account by interviewing other witnesses to the events in question and the YMCA staff. Great stuff!!
An 80-year old woman who expressed extreme discomfort and fear about a male in the women’s shower area of the Mountain View Pool was permanently banned from using the facility. For 35 years t…
