Dookie Vitale made me sick tonight

You don't like him-hey that's cool. I think much of what he says is entertaining and funny. Not profound, but I don't watch college basketball for rocket science, I watch it to see the game in a much purer form than the NBA.

What good does bulking up in the weight room do for a shooting guard (not that I believe for a minute that JJ doesn't lift). I've seen plenty of people go bulk up and not be able to piss off a boat and hit the ocean with a jumper. Then there's people like Iverson, Allen, and Miller who just put the ball in the hole. Reddick can create his own shot and make it or catch and shoot.

JJ will have a place in the NBA, anyone who can shoot like he does will have a place. Saying that, if you think he will be able to create his own shot in the NBA with a bigger faster defender, then you are mistaken. He'll be coming off the bench for spot ups and FT's at the end of games. He'll also be outmatched on the defensive end of the court too. Could you see him trying to guard Wade or another NBA shooting guard? They would back him down and score at will.

I've got a high tolerance for Vitale, but he was pushing it last night. I just get tired of all the screaming and the "ohhhh" moaning stuff.

I still don't know what to think of Redick and the NBA. I mean, he moves without the ball well, but I just don't know how he will be able to get his shot off -- and I question his physical strength and durability.

Then again, I thought the same about Reggie Miller. Saying this with all respect, I still have no idea how the guy averaged 79 games a year and 18 points a game for his career with the body that he has and the fact he was pretty much just a spot-up shooter. And a very good one at that.

Miller: 6'7" with long arms

Redick: 6'4"

Miller is a huge exception, not the norm. We shouldn't expect Redick to duplicate what Miller did.

How about Steve Kerr? Guys that can shoot will always have a place in the NBA regardless of how terrible they are on defense.

I said perviously he would have a place in the NBA, just not more than coming off the bench in special situations to spot up and shoot.

True, but who thinks in terms of 15-year periods? I picked 10 years because it's a logical period to look at. The original post said "Name the winner of the NCAA tourney the last few year....between Carolina, Duke and Maryland I think the ACC owns the tourney..of course they are favored to win it again." I could have picked just the past 3 years, which gives the Big East a 2-1 advantage over the ACC, or five years which gives the ACC a 3-2 advantage, or 7 years which evens them up at 3-3. I never said the Big East was better than the ACC, but this shows they're pretty much even in recent years in terms of winning national championships (what the original post had been discussing). In terms of final four appearances in the past decade, I'm sure the ACC is better, so is the Big 10 and they've won once in that time.

Minimalist Cult Enforcer wrote:

I like how you used last 10 years cause 91,92,93 were all ACC teams that won the tourney...if you went back 15 years it wouldnt support your view...would it sugar..? ACC is better then the big least

IU lost to the number #1 team in the country by 8 points without their second best player (DJ White). I look for great things from my Hoosiers this year..:)

Alan

People said the same things about another "slow white boy" from Enid, Oklahoma named Mark Price who was even shorter than JJ. Time will tell, but I think he'll fare much better than many recent Dukies on that level.

True, time will tell. The best way for Redick to improve his chances would be to work on his point guard skills, passing and ball handling. Price did that and he was a good PG in the NBA. Reddick is more of a pure shooter, in my opinion.

The play defense in the NBA?

thinker wrote:

JJ will have a place in the NBA, anyone who can shoot like he does will have a place. Saying that, if you think he will be able to create his own shot in the NBA with a bigger faster defender, then you are mistaken. He'll be coming off the bench for spot ups and FT's at the end of games. He'll also be outmatched on the defensive end of the court too. Could you see him trying to guard Wade or another NBA shooting guard? They would back him down and score at will.

reddick has "done very little to prepare himself for the NBA"? what rock did you crawl out from under? unlike you, reddick worked his ass off in the off-season and is in absolutely phenomenal shape. i think it would be safe to say that he would leave a lot of the posters on here in the dust in a friendly 5k race. 40, 36, 37 and 36. have any idea what those numbers are? try his minutes played in the last 4 games. please provide your credentials for being able to tell on sight whether someone has been in a weight room. is that skill genetic or have you honed it while lurking on these boards?

why do people knock the guy for squeezing the most out of what he has? he is a 6'3" white guy and isn't a 7 foot 270 pound adonis. shooting the way does isn't natural -- it takes years and years of practice. respect him for what he is -- an insanely good college basketball player. does he have the body to be a star in the nba? probably not. is he supposed to try less in college because of that? steve alford had a similar game, was the national player of the year in college but couldn't really make it in the nba. do you think he has any regrets? reddick can shoot better than alford and is more athletic. i hope he finds his niche in the nba like kerr did.

Final Four Appearances by Conference:

last 5 years: ACC (6) and BE (2)

last 10 years: ACC (10) and BE (4)

last 15 years: ACC (16) and BE (4)

In other words, over the last 15 years, the Big East has a grand total of 4 Final 4 appearances by only 2 different school (UConn and Syracuse). The ACC has had 16 final 4 appearances in the same period by 4 different schools (Duke, UNC, Maryland and Georgia Tech). In terms of national championships, the ACC has 5 over the past 15 years (Duke 3, UNC 2 and Maryland 1) and the Big East has 3 (UConn 2 and Syracuse 1).

It is quite clear from the numbers that the ACC has dominated the Big East (and the rest of the country for that matter) over the past 5, 10 or 15 years (you choose your time interval). The only period that the Big East really dominated was that short period when Ewing was at Georgetown. However, even in that period, the ACC won the national championship in 1982 and 1983 (the Big East cleaned up in 1984 and 1985 with 4 appearances and 2 titles).

Unfortunately, I think that the Big East is much better than the ACC this year...

Are you sure that you want to leave the Big 10 out of that conversation?

i only was responding to the knucklehead who was tooting the big east horn. here are the numbers:

last 5 years: ACC (6), B10 (3) and BE (2)

last 10 years: ACC (10), B10 (8) and BE (4)

last 15 years: ACC (16), B10 (11) and BE (4)

the big 10 definitely kicks the big least's ass over these time periods. however, the big 10 only has 1 title over the last 15 years. interestingly, the big 10 had 5 different schools go to the final 4 over this time period (illinois, michigan st, indiana, minnesota and michigan). also note that the big 10 does have 2 more titles if you go 5 more years out (michigan in 1989 and indiana in 1987). the bottom line is that the acc has dominated college basketball over the past 15 years.

who wished that vitale was calling the game tonight??? man, he would have freaking creamed if he had seen that last second, half court shot to win the game!

gooooooooooo duke

Sure there's a place for Redick in the NBA. On a bench for mop-up minutes. He's sure as hell not lottery pick material. How good is his D? Does anyone really believe he's 6'4"? Try 6'1" or 6'2" with shoes on. He has no presence on D (slow feet), can't shoot over taller or more athletic guards, and CANNOT create his own shot.

Let's do a comparison of a similarly-built guard: is anyone familiar with Kirk Hinrich? That guy's got skills and is far more athletic than Redick, had a much better work ethic, and was only a second team all-american (maybe even third) while Redick is going to get votes for player of the year (puhlease!). When Hinrich and Redick met in the NCAA tournament, guess what? Redick shot 2-16 and 1-11 from three-point range. He's a poor man's Steve Blake. Don't kid yourselves.

The only reason he gets hyped is because of the ESPN-Duke love machine. Thanks Dickie V. Meanwhile, the best player in the country plays for Gonzaga and doesn't have some raving lunatic hanging off his testicles every game he announces.

I think you will find this Vitale cartoon funny.

Are you sure that you want to brag about the number one team in the nation (who will only be satisfied with a national champiionship this year) beating Virginia Tech (who will be satisfied with making it to the second day of the ACC tournamnet) at the last second on a 40 foot jumper at Cameron???

I am sure that Krzyzewski was really proud of that performance!!!